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    Posted: September 14 2018 at 9:08pm
I don't remember if I had sent this update before, so I'm making sure it gets posted.
After getting my 32X scope installed and a VERY high Cheekrest to get some reasonable eye alignment, I went to my nearby outdoor range and test fired the #4 at 100 yards.
 
After about 2 weeks of practice I shot a 5 round 1.75" group with Remington 174 Grain ammo one day and the next day repeated with another 5 round 1.75" group with Privi Partizan 174 grain ammo.
I'm keeping this rifle. The 5 shot group consisted of two groups around 2 separate POI's. The 3 shot portion of the 5 shot group where about 1.1" with the remaining two shots about 0.6" apart, both groups within a 1.75" circle. Actually one was in a 1.625" circle.
 
I believe I should be able to approach a 1" group with a load developed just for this rifle.
 
I am still working on reloading some fire formed and neck turned brass. My first efforts shot about 3" low using about 38 grains of Varget powder.
 
Unfortunately I destroyed a lot of my brass by neck turning too deep into the "donut" that occurs where the neck merges into the shoulder. Some of the necks sort of fell off, so I scrapped the batch
and will do some more shooting once it gets a little cooler here. I expect to have the customized ammo in use by November. Maybe I can get some target photos posted by Nov. 11th, or am I just tempting fate?
 
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Umm I think you are over thinking this.


Shoot neck size shoot again. At four reloads full size and trim.

Don't waste time on Remington brass and into the crapper.
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I'd never thought of neck turning brass for a .303, Ray.  
Chambers are real generous on these.
 
That scope sounds like overkill for such a short range!  :-)
 
Let us know how you go on with load developement,
 
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............Confused..........

How much is overkill ?


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I got this one MJ11
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To me MJ and all, 100 yards is for open sights.  200 is as well. Mind, we shoot 700 with open sights with the Martini and Snider.
I thought my old 4 x was plenty for 'scope stuff,  LOL!
Aren't large scopes bad in hot weather?  my son's binoculars go bad when we have heat haze /mirage.
I'll jus' go and put me tin hat on........................     :-)
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What sort of scope is that?
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The scope on MJ11's rifle I cannot say. Mine is a 3-9x50 variable MilDot...
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Pardon me..Wacko I thought the question was how much is to much.



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How much it too much MJ?
When we get trouble with mirage or heat haze I'd say, Aaaand,...
 At some point, it's near impossible to hold the rifle steady due to breathing being magnified.....
 
With the kit you show above, (Nice kit!) such problems (normally) are much reduced. 
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Two of my bits of kit..

 
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I can always back off on the power! IN fact with the ART 2 I have to!
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Although admittedly both clones, my No4 Mk2 full wood and my recent purchase of the L39A1 both sport 1.5x4x Leupold straight tube scopes. I realize there was the option of the repo Mk32 scopes/mounts, but I went this way in my humble tribute to the sniper type Enfields.
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Same rifle after five at 100y, these are not target rifles. The 3X9X50 30MM tube was just an exercise to use one of the IWS brackets I had collecting dust .


When the winter doldrums set in a boys mind wanders through the bins for relief.



The second 1942 Savage got the same treatment with the Leupold M3LR.


Then there was the really to much Leatherwood ART.


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I've always been impressed with what some people can do using iron sights, but I'm not one of them. 
I'm 72, have needed glasses since the 5th grade and had a terrible time using the tangent sights that were common on WW I rifles like the Enfield SMLE #3. When I was in the service I did fine with the peep sights on the M-14 and .30 Garand. Unfortunately, due to age and a repaired macular hole of the retina in my right eye I found that I had to go to optical sights. I tried using a reddot sight that I use on my bullseye pistols and it worked well for me out to about 50 yards. The sight is fine but at 100 yards I can hardly see the target so the reddot sight didn't help much.
 
When I saw how well I could shoot using a custom benchrest rifle with a 36X scope, I knew the optical sight was what I needed at 100 yards and beyond.
 
I started with a Leupold VX-1 3-9x40 which works very well and is very clear. I then went for more magnification at a price I could afford and bought a demo Bushnell 4500 Elite with 8-32x40 with an adjustable front optic. These both used a thin cross hair reticule. The higher power of the Bushnell requires a more precise alignment of my eye with the image from the scope and takes longer to get sighted on the target, but the improvement in my shooting was very noticeable.
 
It may be of interest to know that the scarring from repair of the macular hole in my right eye causes the horizontal crosshair of the reticle just to the immediate left of the vertical/horizontal intersection of the crosshairs to make an apparent downward arc about 30 times the width of the cross hair. It is very obvious and took me a little bit of time to get to where I can ignore it while focusing on the intersection of those cross hairs. 
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I have fire formed Privi Partizan and Remington brass readily available. They are boxer primed and the Remingtons are recommended in the booklet "The Accurate Lee Enfield" by Stephen Redgwell on page 49, "Over the years, despite different production runs, the Remingtons have resisted cracking, stretching and separation better than the other two." the other two referenced were Federal and Winchester. He recommends "neck sizing only" when reforming the case and doesn't address neck turning at all.
 
I'm neck turning for two reasons:
 
1) It works for benchrest shooters and may help with the .303 British. I read an article on the web from a shooter who used to shoot his Enfield in competition and he highly recommended neck turning because it assures generating a uniform tension on the bullet after seating and makes the alignment of the bullet and the barrel more consistent. I was not smart enough to save that article and have not been able to re-locate it.
****  I have noticed that a lot of my brass was not square with the base. When I put some in my LEE Zip Trim to set the case length, some of the necks of the brass wobbled instead of staying on a fixed axis while the case turned. I will separate the wobblers from those that spin true and see if they demonstrate different shooting precision. I suspect the wobblers won't due to their lack of concentricity. It may also be that they are fine and once the bolt is locked down any lack of square-ness between the bolt head and the base won't make much difference.
 
2) It offers me some experience using the neck turning equipment on a benchrest rifle I plan to get next year.
 
I was actually considering getting one of the new centerfire LA102 Lithgow rifles from Australia. They are available in .223, .243, and 308. They also make the Rimfire LA101 series in .22LR and one or two other rimfire calibers.
 
It looks like I'll end up with the Savage 110 Desert Tactical in .308 and get a barrel for it in 6BR. Savages' interchangeable barrels have a simple setup for establishing the right setback for the ammunition and chambering being used. That offers a lot of flexibility for the rifle. I can eventually get .20 BR, .22 BR, 6mm BR, 6.5mm BR and 30BR. That should keep me happy, broke and making ammo for a long time.
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