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    Posted: August 25 2022 at 8:26pm
Stumbled over this in the back corner of a small LGS Smile  One piece conversion in a Robert's Wood Product stock.  The front sight is a puzzler, no sign the was ever one on there (other than the original one) but the bluing looks like it was redone after the barrel was cut.   Had a hard time finding ammo, so I've only fired a few rounds into the hillside to make sure it goes *bang!*  On one hand getting a ramp front sight would be keeping with the conversion, on the other hand my eyes like scopes much better, so thinking about one of the Red Star Mountain mounts and an older Leupold 3x I have tucked away  

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Nice receiver peep sight, but not very useful without a front sight!  The barrel must have been cut back removing the front sight block band and bayonet lugs.  What is the barrel length (back of chamber to muzzle)?

The rear sight ears on the receiver have been ground off too, so you won’t be able to install an original rear sight.  Scope is probably your best bet, although your choice of mounts will be limited to ones that don’t use the rear sight axis pin lugs.  

The rifle is of course a Savage made No. 4 Mk I*, not a Mk 4, which is an entirely different rifle (.22 conversion of the SMLE Mk III). 


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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Nice receiver peep sight, but not very useful without a front sight!  The barrel must have been cut back removing the front sight block band and bayonet lugs.  What is the barrel length (back of chamber to muzzle)?

The rear sight ears on the receiver have been ground off too, so you won’t be able to install an original rear sight.  Scope is probably your best bet, although your choice of mounts will be limited to ones that don’t use the rear sight axis pin lugs.  

The rifle is of course a Savage made No. 4 Mk I*, not a Mk 4, which is an entirely different rifle (.22 conversion of the SMLE Mk III). 



Updated and corrected the post title, thanks for that heads up! Beer

The barrel is 21.0625" and has a nice rounded crown. I have pretty much settled on the Red Star Mountain mount for the reasons you mention and that, at least in my opinion, the other side mount scope options are an affront unto the Lord.  The stock will allow for a slight adjustment in head position to make a scope usable without a cheek piece if the scope is low enough, which that mount should provide.  My challenge at this point is finding a 'smith that would tackle this without wanting to make a boat payment or spending 20 minutes explaining why I should dump this and get a (insert some other random rifle name here) because those are REAL rifles Ermm
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One of those Parker Hale scope mounts Goosic had would work. Ashley "no drill" mounts use the "ear holes" as one of their anchor points. Maybe get a globe front site sweated on?
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

One of those Parker Hale scope mounts Goosic had would work. Ashley "no drill" mounts use the "ear holes" as one of their anchor points. Maybe get a globe front site sweated on?

A sweated on ramp/globe/post or something is on the list, but I do have an issue with Mission Creep and spending monnies I don't have  . . . 
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I'm to lazy to go to the man-cave and look, but does a No5 flash arrestor come with the front sights? I believe there is aftermarket ones. Might work...
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The RMS scope mounts, the No tap or the Repro Sniper bracket will not work on your rifle. The way the reciever is cutdown leaves you with two choices. Try to find the very rare Redfield barrel mounted scope mount or get a Parker Hale A29 scope base, drill three holes, tap those three holes, secure the base and then find a flat base scope mount to fit a scope to. The rifle is beyond restoration so, do with it as you see fit. There is a topic here somewhere that discusses making your own mount using a piece of angle iron and mating that to a Weaver style flat based scope pad. I make my side mounts using angled aluminum.  The quick fix would be to get a Williams front ramp sight and sweat it to the barrel so it matches the Williams peep sight already affixed...
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The Parker Hale mount shown above would fit the era of your sporter as I think they were made for that specific purpose on No4's. I'm my opinion, it would look right at home on your rifle!
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

The RMS scope mounts, the No tap or the Repro Sniper bracket will not work on your rifle. The way the reciever is cutdown leaves you with two choices.  . . .

Why wouldn't the repro Sniper bracket work?   Looking at this photo from some RMS mounting instructions it looks like it *should* work, but I'm pretty new to this mount.  


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The "Affront Unto the Lord" aside, the OP has little to no option here and if done correctly leaves the end user with a very pleasant looking rifle in my honest opinion...
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

The "Affront Unto the Lord" aside, the OP has little to no option here and if done correctly leaves the end user with a very pleasant looking rifle in my honest opinion...

For some reason the Parker Hale one didn't come up in my searches, now that I know what to look for it does seem like a good clean option.    The 'affront' reference was to the ones that look closer to the Weaver / (you hope it will) B-Square style mounts
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Originally posted by VinnieBoomBah VinnieBoomBah wrote:

Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

The RMS scope mounts, the No tap or the Repro Sniper bracket will not work on your rifle. The way the reciever is cutdown leaves you with two choices.  . . .

Why wouldn't the repro Sniper bracket work?   Looking at this photo from some RMS mounting instructions it looks like it *should* work, but I'm pretty new to this mount.  


There might be enough material left to use that setup but, unless your chosen gunsmith knows exactly what he is doing, the chances of that scope mount getting zeroed over the center of the rifles bore is slim to none. He would have to mill away at least 5-8 thousandths of an inch  square where the front pad is to sit and then slowly remove material from the front pads thumb screw mount until the scope is collimated over the center of the bore. I have a similar reproduction sniper scope mount and followed the strict advice of Peter Laidler to get the desired results for my 7.62mm conversion. ..
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A very nice looking rifle....all scope mounting problems aside, I would like to see the underside of this stock to see how the trigger guard and magazine are attached....any chance of a pic with the action out of the stock??

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I had a "One piece stock" Enfield once.
Make doubly sure the "main (King) screw" is absolutely perfectly set up.
The entire barreled action & bolt can "come up out of here" at you!
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Originally posted by yumastepside yumastepside wrote:

A very nice looking rifle....all scope mounting problems aside, I would like to see the underside of this stock to see how the trigger guard and magazine are attached....any chance of a pic with the action out of the stock??

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It's a blind mag conversion, so no magazine to show.  It will likely be Tues (or maybe Wed) morning before I can pull the action but I can grab a quick photo of the trigger guard area tomorrow 
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To the OP.
I am not trying to dissuade you from purchasing the reproduction sniper scope mount from RMS. What I am relaying to you is there is more to it than just drilling and tapping some holes and then bolting everything together. It is very time consuming and if it not done correctly, you are left with a rifle that will never zero. The other issue is the limited choices of scopes that will work with that scope bracket...
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