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    Posted: March 14 2006 at 6:26am

I purchased a box of .303 British Saturday. I would like info regarding the markings on the box. It is in a light cardboard box with a brown paper seal glued vertically around it. the seal is printed in green type with the following info:

32

CARTRIDGES

.303 INCH

Mk 7

                                                             ^ (this represents the broad arrow)

C.I.A (P)

P.O.F.

P.A.8

It also has the date 21 JUL 1957 stamped on it as well as symbol that looks like bowling pin with a numeral one beside itinside a 1/2" circle.

There is also "No. 23  1967" stamped into the cardboard.

Any help with this is most appreciated.

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 POF = Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Pakistan.  The MK 7 is the standard 174 grn 303 cartridge. I'm not an expert. so maybe someone else will fill us in on the C.I.A. and P.A. 8.  The 57 stamp is probably the manufacture date, and should match the headstamp on the cartridges, the '67 date is probably an inspection date.

All of the surplus ( except the later Greek stuff)  I'm aware of is corrosive, so wash the bore with hot water  after you shoot.

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Thanks Ed. I'll probably put this up on a shelf since it's a sealed box. I'd prefer to just shoot UMC. Easier cleanup.

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The POF stuff doesn't have the best reputation, but I wouldn't shy away from shooting surplus corrosive ammo. I have over a thousand rounds of 8mm corrosive because I got it for 4 or 5 cents a round. I wish I could find 303 for three times that price!

I use standard 303 surplus to check my sights, and see how well handloads compare to the original ammo. The corrosive component is salt, usually caused by the primers. Since alcohol, ammonia, and oil won't dissolve salts, plain old water is what the military has always used, and works fine. I carry a small bottle of windex, and put two or three soaked patches through the barrel while it is still warm. A clean patch after and I'm good to go home, where I clean as normal.
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I got some yesterday that says

Mk7 L.S.A.A  GBF 21 10 44

It fired fine

Can anyone tell me about this stuff paid $3.18 for 32 rounds
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I heard that CIA stood for Century International Arms, I know its not the American firm of the same name as I don't believe they advertise like that.
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The MK 7 is the regular 174 grn ammo, GB or GBF is Greenwood & Batley, Leeds,
and I assume the 21 10 44 is the date.  Don't know about the LSAA, does it look like the same script? Maybe an importers mark?
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GBF is Greenwood & Batley (farnham) Ltd.

GB is Greenwood & Batley Ltd , Leeds

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Sorry the L.S.A.A.   Is really I.S.A.A.  It is the same script.
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JDGIII, I just looked at a box of '51 RL headstamped ammo I have, and it also is marked  I.S.A.A. under the broad arrow. Acceptance mark of some time?
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ISAA - Inspector Small Arms Ammunition
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Thanks, N/I\Z, I knew someone on here would have it.
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Thank you for the info that is fun to hear all these things
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In regards to the Pakistani Ord. Fact. surplus Mk.7 rounds mentioned at the start of this thread...LOL... A few years back I bought two 32 round boxes of POF in Anchorage for around $5 a box. When I fired that ammo...LOL...I guess the best way to describe it is to imagine firing a matchlock from the English Civil War. Every round a hang fire, could hear the striker hit the primer and there was a time lapse...then boom...LOL.

Later, at another gunstore in Anchorage I bought 150 rounds of 1950 headstamped Mk.7 rounds made by F.N. in Belgium, not one hang fire or miss fire, good stuff. And better yet it came on chargers in bandoliers. After I came back to the lower 48 I found some South African made .303" Ball made around 1980 that was also on par with the F.N. made ammunition. I still have a 50 round bandolier that I refuse to burn up until I find more surplus...or at least cheaper commercial ammunition.
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Alaskan living in exile (Toledo, Ohio). The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.
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