Were Enfield bayos ever this odd?

   I've been trying to find stills from the film I mentioned, I know this is not the same bayonet but the idea was pretty ingenious as far as film props go, allowing No.4 rifles to fill in for SMLEs. Plus those may show up on the market one day.
Good news is that I found a site which had cast hard rubber 1907 bayonets used as film props so its possible no real P07 bayonets were harmed in the making of this film.

If the Bayonet Shamu found doesn't have the rotation of the socket fitting then it would not be useable on a STEN, only on a No.4, which would make it suitable only as a practice bayonet to save wear and tear on the real No.7.

This opens up the possibility that the altered bayonets used in the film might have had a real world use. The Sword bayonet was certainly more practical, and forces once armed with the SMLE might wish to retain the P07 blade after upgrading to more recent production No.4 rifles.
If such a modified Bayo was already in existence its adaptation to film use would come naturally.

I meant to travel to the surplus store today but I ended up sleeping most of the last three days, change in the weather I guess.

From your photos I'm pretty sure they did have a No.7 Bayo in the case.

Plus I remember many years ago they had some bayonets that had been altered by simply cutting off about half a long blade and welding the last 7-8 inches onto the stub. A very crude alteration.

Some bayonet alterations were authorized, such as shortened Garand bayonets and Shortened P07 Bayonets used for jungle fighting.

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LE Owner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 04 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370	Post Options Post Reply Quote LE Owner Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Were Enfield bayos ever this odd? Posted: 20 January 2010 at 11:27pm
	I've been trying to find stills from the film I mentioned, I know this is not the same bayonet but the idea was pretty ingenious as far as film props go, allowing No.4 rifles to fill in for SMLEs. Plus those may show up on the market one day. Good news is that I found a site which had cast hard rubber 1907 bayonets used as film props so its possible no real P07 bayonets were harmed in the making of this film. If the Bayonet Shamu found doesn't have the rotation of the socket fitting then it would not be useable on a STEN, only on a No.4, which would make it suitable only as a practice bayonet to save wear and tear on the real No.7. This opens up the possibility that the altered bayonets used in the film might have had a real world use. The Sword bayonet was certainly more practical, and forces once armed with the SMLE might wish to retain the P07 blade after upgrading to more recent production No.4 rifles. If such a modified Bayo was already in existence its adaptation to film use would come naturally. I meant to travel to the surplus store today but I ended up sleeping most of the last three days, change in the weather I guess. From your photos I'm pretty sure they did have a No.7 Bayo in the case. Plus I remember many years ago they had some bayonets that had been altered by simply cutting off about half a long blade and welding the last 7-8 inches onto the stub. A very crude alteration. Some bayonet alterations were authorized, such as shortened Garand bayonets and Shortened P07 Bayonets used for jungle fighting.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 12 December 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1346	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 January 2010 at 6:18pm
	and having again reread the original description i believe it to be a 'prop' , ive looked thru my referances and seen a bunch of strange and ugly exprerimentals that could approach this - but "no cigar" it was a fun exchange tho - i do so enjoy these threads that stretch our perameters

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	Aren't they interesting? "Bubba" can be such a creative little devil.
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LE Owner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 04 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370	Post Options Post Reply Quote LE Owner Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 February 2010 at 6:08am
	Well the film I mentioned earlier was on this morning. Its on the National Geographic Channel rather than the Discovery channel, though from the looks of screen caps on various sites the footage may have been shot by the same company that did a series for the BBC. The Film is "the Bloodiest Battle" and is about the Battle of the Somme. Worth a look. Anyway I'm still figuring Shamu's bayonet was an "Ersatz" type used for bayonet training.

Rule .303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 April 2010 Location: Owasso, OK USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 11	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rule .303 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2010 at 7:59am
	Sounds like he was describing a Bayonet for a Jungle Carbine.
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 12 December 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1346	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 April 2010 at 10:43am
	i dont think so as the no5 bayo is the third from left in photo above , they never had a "spike/stub" version for that rifle , from page 172 & 173 of skennerton/richardson , british & commonwealth bayonets , there is a "lockyer bayonet , it used the grip of the 1888 with a triangular spike , its 18" with an OA of 22.75" and on page 185 there is a trials bayonet for 1906-7 that used a P1903[same as P07] grip with this triangular spike at 17" with an OA of 21.75" there was a folding spike and a socket spike experimented with for the SMLE but neither had a grip , and then on p212 & 213 there was the "soley spike at about 8", with a metal P07 style grip , its blade looked a lot like the no4 cruciform spike , these were all experimental or trials versions , as such would have good value to collectors as very few were made and it would be expected that even fewer survived

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 April 2007 Location: MD, USA. Online Status: Offline Posts: 1198	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 April 2010 at 11:13am
	What I was trying to describe would be a bayonet for a #5, but with a part for a bayonet for a #4 welded to the upper rear of the handle. It is rigidly attached, no pivot or swivel motion. Kind of like this: Bits 'n pieces of image borrowed from A_Square's excellent set of bayonets pictured earlier.
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 12 December 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1346	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 2010 at 6:09am
	ive not seen one like that before , but im far from an expert as i have much to learn , certainly resembles a no7 except for the non-swivel aspect tho ,