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    Posted: 02 February 2010 at 6:15am
This Bill was forced in to law by Randy "Duke" Cunningham the first Viet nam Fighter ace. This law is hoped to safe 100's of Law enforcement officers lives.
 
Remarks made by Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), sponsor of H.R. 218, on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives
June 23, 2004

Mr. SPEAKER, I rise today to congratulate the Fraternal Order of Police on their outstanding victory today on the passage of the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (H.R. 218).

This afternoon, H.R. 218 passed the House by a voice vote, affirming this body's support for police officers across America. H.R. 218 is the number one priority for law enforcement across the country and allows qualified off-duty and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons in any jurisdiction. The bill has broad bi-partisan support with 296 cosponsors.

The F.O.P. has been absolutely instrumental in working with Members of Congress to bring this legislation to the floor. The F.O.P. is an outstanding organization that has served their membership well in their tireless work to bring their number one legislative priority to the House Floor. Many of us know the long history of H.R. 218 and I can safely say that were it not for the efforts of the F.O.P., their current President Chuck Canterbury, and former President Steve Young, this bill may have never seen the light of day.

The benefits of H.R. 218 are two-fold—officer safety and improved public safety. Many jurisdictions do not allow off-duty officers to carry concealed weapons. Due to the unique responsibilities and dangers that come with law enforcement, off-duty officers are at a greater risk than most Americans. It is not uncommon for off-duty officers to run into people they have arrested or helped to incarcerate. There have been documented instances where felons have sought retribution against officers who helped to put them in jail or prison. It is only right that the men and women who put their lives on the line every day when they go to work be afforded the right to protect their families and themselves while they are off-duty.

These concerns apply not only to off-duty officers, but to retired officers as well. A criminal who is seeking retribution does not care that the officer who put them away is retired. It is a disservice to those men and women who risked their lives to perform a public service to be deprived of the right to defend themselves and their families simply because they retired.

Mr. SPEAKER, I am grateful to the F.O.P. for all their efforts on behalf of H.R. 218 and for cops across the country. Today, I am happy to join with them in celebrating House passage of this crucial legislation and look forward to working with the F.O.P. in the future to see H.R. 218 signed into law.

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Here is a link if you all care to enjoy it's reading?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2010 at 6:50pm
interesting legislation , i find it refreshing to see the recognition of the threats and competency of these americans
 
i think it needs to extend to john-Q-public as well
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sabretech2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2010 at 1:03am
More unconstitutional posturing!
 
We The People are the ones with the police power. We give some of that power to our hirelings in the various police departments, and if Congress wants to invent a national carry permit, they had better give it to us as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hokiehi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2010 at 8:24am
Interesting take on "universal CCW".  You may well know that a bill for nationwide reciprocity for all states having CCWs was narrowly defeated back about May of 2009.  However, I think it incumbent upon us to "police" our own industry.  Consider my own experience.
 
I have had a CCW in Mississippi.  I then spent a brief amount of time in Nebraska before moving to Arkansas.  MS requires only a background check, NE narrowly passed a limited CCW in 2006 and AR requires classwork, a proficiency demonstration and of course a background check before issuing their CCW.  The quals in AR were a huge eye opener for me.
 
I learned more from those few hours in classwork in AR than I ever knew the whole time I had a permit in MS.  The experience has changed the entire way in which I train.  Furthermore, that classwork may well keep me from ending up on the guilty end of a wrongful death suit should I ever need deadly force.  Things as innocuous as self defense ammo vs FMJ, tactics, etc. were all invaluable.
 
Were it not for the certainty that a "National Format for CCW" would have some sort of requirement for qualification, I would support such an idea.  My strong belief is that the anti-gunners would eventually make this so honerous that few but SWAT capable would be able to pass it.  This does not even begin to address the mental stability necessary for this deadly responsibility.
 
I submit that we all know someone who really has no business walking around with a loaded firearm.  Furthermore, the courts are sometimes reticent to enforce the law.  The Virginia Tech murderer Cho was adjudicated as requiring inpatient mental evaluation.  A judge set this aside in favor of outpatient.  As such, this never showed up on his background check.  Finally, such a nationwide format for CCW would probably also entail some sort of trump power by the Fed.  Can you imagine Eric Holder, a professed anti-gunner advocate, having the power to set aside your right to carry a weapon to suit his or Obamas DOJ agenda?
 
IMO, the law enabling people having been certified to have the proficiency and mental aptitude to carry a weapon at all times is a good first step.  You may also be aware that in gun battles only about 20% of rounds fired ever hit the target.  Couple that with the statistics that 80% of gun battles occur in low or no light and I doubt that many have the training to keep themselves from a manslaughter conviction. 
 
I firmly hope that an act ensuring reciprocity for all states having CCW permits becomes law.  That said, it is the power of the states to determine how business is conducted within their borders and not that of DC.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote madcratebuilder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2010 at 11:14am
That 'law' made a special class of people.  That 'law' should apply to every American citizen.

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Due to the unique responsibilities and dangers that come with law enforcement, off-duty officers are at a greater risk than most Americans. It is not uncommon for off-duty officers to run into people they have arrested or helped to incarcerate. There have been documented instances where felons have sought retribution against officers who helped to put them in jail or prison. It is only right that the men and women who put their lives on the line every day when they go to work be afforded the right to protect their families and themselves while they are off-duty.

Same risks as any witness or juror.
The vast majority of officers killed in line of duty or otherwise is traffic accidents, just as it is for the other occupations that require a lot of time spent on the streets.
Police work is the tenth most dangerous occupation with even farmers more likely to be killed on the job.
 
I've got nothing against cops carrying while off duty or in any jurisdiction, in fact I think they should be required to do so in case they stumble upon a crime or local police need assistance.
Unfortunately cops sometimes forget just how triggerhappy some of their associates can be and off duty officers have been gunned down by police who didn't know them by sight when out of uniform when they pulled a weapon in trying to apprehend a criminal they encountered while off duty.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sabretech2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2010 at 2:21am
At the risk of needless repetition, here in America, We The People have the police authority. We delegate that some of that power to the uniformed police to act on our behalf.
 
Any law or practice that gives them any kind of privilege that is denied to the rest of us is repugnant and against the intentions of the Founders and Framers.
 
Yes, the police have a dangerous job, but it's one that every one of them chose. Nobody is forced to don the uniform. Making them a special class of citizen is wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2010 at 5:20am
sabretech2001 ?

What is your occupation if I may ask? Yes there is certain occupational hazards that come with every job, and we choose to do that. However is an electrician still in danger at home after work watching TV or out at the grocery store from his job? Is an airline pilot in danger in a restaurant eating with his family when he is not flying his aircraft? No there not. A Law enforcement office that has incarcerated numerous criminals is in constant danger both from criminals that he knows and when he is off duty from ex cons looking for revenge, that is why this law was in acted, not to give him special Privileges. How many electricians have been hunted down and electrocuted in a grocery store with his family by a light fixture that he took down and threw away?  How many air line pilots have been stalked and murdered by a Pratt and Whitney Turbo Fan engine that was taken out of service for not operating correctly. Law enforcement officers are in danger 24 hours a day do to their occupation.

 

I understand that every citizen is in the same danger as a Law enforcement officer do to every day life. Everyone under the constitution has the right to protect there self  I agree. But is that law wrong?    

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote LE Owner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2010 at 11:42am
I understand that every citizen is in the same danger as a Law enforcement officer do to every day life. Everyone under the constitution has the right to protect there self
Its been many years(probably mid seventies) since the story was on nation wide news for weeks so I don't remember the details, but the major incident of escaped convicts going after those involved in incarcerating them that I remember was several members of a gang escaping and killing jurors, judge, and prosecutors.
Don't remember how many they got but the survivors were housed in a national guard armory till the gang was brought down.
There have been high profile murders of witnesses and plaintiffs in cases in this state, and witness protection programs are there for a reason.
The victims of spousal abuse are at risk of being murdered as soon as the perpetrator gets back on the street.
So the vengeful excon scenario doesn't cut it in making the cop out as being more likely to become a victim than any other citizen involved in the case.
The question is whether they have a indisputable right to defend themselves while the rest of our population would not under the same circumstances.
Truckers get hijacked and often murdered every day, cabdrivers are an easy target for robbery, entire nightshifts at fast food resturants have been found in the freezer shot through the head.
Everyone is at risk of becoming a victim of violent crime, so everyone should have the same absolute right to self defense.
As I said I have no problem with police carrying guns while off duty.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:15pm

LE Owner,

 Most states where there LE officers carry off duty may become active duty when a felony is happening in their present thus making it a safer environment for the citizen.
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Originally posted by sabretech2001

At the risk of needless repetition, here in America, We The People have the police authority. We delegate that some of that power to the uniformed police to act on our behalf.
 
Any law or practice that gives them any kind of privilege that is denied to the rest of us is repugnant and against the intentions of the Founders and Framers.
 
Yes, the police have a dangerous job, but it's one that every one of them chose. Nobody is forced to don the uniform. Making them a special class of citizen is wrong.
 
Sabretech2001 - the next time a car crosses the border, back into the US and triggers an armed and dangerous alert (and you don't know if there is an armed and dangerous person in the car or not) how about giving me your phone number and I will call you so you can respond to the threat instead of me.  Or you can also walk on top of a very unstable open load of Canadian Garbage with a 6' steel probe trying to find the hidden drugs - some of which have been found to be booby-trapped.  Better still - I'll use your name and address so when the person who has threatened me and my family with physical harm they'll come visit you instead.
 
There is a real threat - much more of a danger to Law Enforcement Officers on duty and off-duty then there is to Joe Average Citizen. 
 
I don't know where you live; but if you are in one of those cities or states that either severely restrict concealed carry of firearms that's too bad.  I would be politically active to fight for changes; or (and I know this isn't a real simple solution) move somewhere else.  Not trying to be flippant but being given the authority to continue to carry a concealed gun after retirement or off-duty isn't a privilege, it is a responsibility. 
 
You delegate your "power" to your elected officials, who in turn legislate the laws that govern what is and isn't.  Displeased as you are - how about contacting your elected officials.  Tell them how you feel.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sabretech2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2010 at 1:23am
My issue isn't allowing LEO some sort of national carry permit, it's that this isn't being proposed for every single one of us, regardless of occupation.
 
Cookie: I'm sorry mate, but you're wrong on a few points. An electrician can be the victim of a home invasion, or can simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time if something happens at the bank, a restaurant or the mall. Same thing with a pilot, or any one of us. And you were being just plain silly about being attacked by a light fixture or an aircraft engine. What is wrong is that this law creates a class of person that is more equal than everyone else. If the law is amended to include every citizen that can qualify for a carry permit, then I'm all for it.
 
LEOwner: exactly!
 
cwo: You're not really serious with that, are you? You are ultimately responsible for you and your family, just as I am for mine. BTW, the police aren't: they are protected by what the law calls "third party indemnification", which means that they cannot be held accountable if they don't get to you in time. And I have been a Second Amendment advocate since I became a legal adult in 1975, so I know all about writing and lobbying my various representatives. I donated money to both David Hardy and Alan Gura so they could have the funds needed to win the Heller decision in the Supreme Court. Additionally, have you ever considered ending the useless War on Drugs? It hasn't worked, you know: folks can go out and get high whenever they want, and no laws have stopped them. All we have accomplished with that is the needless deaths of hundreds of brave cops.
 
I used to live in NYC. I carried a gun anyway. I'm now in Florida; I still do. "Shall not be infringed" means exactly what it says, no matter what some city council or state legislature thinks it does. Hopefully, when the McDonald decision comes down in June, the Supremes will finally incorporate the 2A against the states via the 14th the way they have for the remainder of the Bill of Rights.
 
And at least you're right about it being a responsibility. It sure is, and I pray that I never have to shoot someone to protect me or mine, but I will do so if I have to, and I make sure I always have the necessary tool. And I own a sporterized No4 for more than deer hunting as well: I live in a fairly wide open part of my county, and it's entirely likely the cops will get here after it's too late.
 
A final reminder: I am *not* against national carry, I'm against giving that to some, but not all citizens.
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