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    Posted: 23 June 2010 at 11:33am
I see one of our generals was fired, what is next, exile, or an execution? During WW II Herr Hitler would relieve generals of their command if the spoke out against him, that’s if they were lucky. Does this sound familiar?
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i just think its only a matter of tpime before more and more of our high ranking military start speaking out. This was a power move, obama got butt hurt and had to make it look like he was still in control. The general just siad what the rest of the military is thinking. 
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Originally posted by Schmidlin

i just think its only a matter of tpime before more and more of our high ranking military start speaking out. This was a power move, obama got butt hurt and had to make it look like he was still in control. The general just siad what the rest of the military is thinking. 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2010 at 12:03am
Ole Harry S cashierd MacArthur(good thing too-the man was a loon)back during the 2nd Korean conflict(50's).Rosevelt nearly done Paton over,in the 2nd whirl at war.So-its really nothing new.Fact is - presidents dont like it when you publicly confirm what the world already knows:the man is a dufus.(But a dufus with executive power-so THAT'LL learn the rest of 'em to hunker down & shut up!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2010 at 6:26am

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Post Options Post Options   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2010 at 9:19am
yup , lincoln did some of that during the civil war as well ,

to be fair , i must admit that im shocked that the general allowed himself to be put in that position , no mater how truthful or accurate his remarks may have been , they were totaly uncalled for in such a venue and should have been reserved for airing or publication after his career was over , they had no place in the theater of conflict [unless perhaps in private behind closed doors]

having said that i think the general was correct [i can say so - the constitution guarantees me that right] and i think the president was left with no option except the one he took , i find no fault with his decision
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2010 at 11:10am
So was he fired or did he resign?
Depending on who you hear the story from that bit of information varies.
Either way I honestly do not think I'd last long in the "new age" military of today.
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Well maybe he wanted them heard? His remarks may have saved lives at the cost of his command. Greater Generals have spoken their minds to get a point across with disregards to their careers.

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His remarks were either from politically naiveté or a desire for suicide; however correct they may have been. Having been in a similar situation myself and ruining a most promising military career, I can understand how frustration can lead a man to do/say some stupid things.  Once spoken, they can never be retracted, as I found out!

 

As for the “modern” military; I agree with the previous comments – it really is just too politically correct.  I was speaking to a long serving WOII and asked him why he was getting out. He said that he was walking through camp and a soldier passed him, who was not wearing a beret. The WOII reproached the young solder [as only WOII’s can!] and the solder burst out crying!!!!!!! He said – “that’s the end of it for me!”.

 

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Perhaps The General was atoning for voting for Obama.  To be honest what transpired was not as severe as what happened between Lincoln and MacClellan or Truman and MacArthur .MacCrystal must have wanted to make a statement. Seems to be a fair number of Mac Somethings who have problems with presidents.  We all know that Obama is a Gormless, numpty, narcisstic, reprobate, hearthern communist who will go down in history as the worst US president of all time, might as well jump ship while you can.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2010 at 10:28pm
From the sidelines I see a President that struggles with things military.I dont think he identifies very well with it @ all(good or bad as that may be.)I note he hired MaChrystal without ever meeting him.He came recommended by others.When Mac presented his "Surge" plan-he asked for certain things to make it work.Obama dragged his feet-was indecicive,& in the end gave him less than what he asked for.Mac was expected to make it work anyway.The people in Obama's circle seem to have little or no knowledge of military workings.He & they deal with the military grudgingly.I think Obama will now wiegh the Afghan situation & say it isnt worth it..& pull out.Mark my words:That will lead to a disaster!
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A general must speak how it is and not be a yes man.
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Spoke with a Black Hawk pilot today. He made some very good points.
1) General McChrystal did not get where he was by being stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing.
2) Generals DO NOT QUIT! They have to be fired.
 
General McChrystal set himself up to be fired because of the idiotic "rules of engagement" his troops were getting killed by, along with the other "Obamanations". He could no longer stomach the situation.
 
Note:
Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement
 
I wonder if this was a condition for Gen. Petraeus to accept the commend?
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Originally posted by Cookie Monster

Well maybe he wanted them heard?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 June 2010 at 10:22pm
Petraeus was McChrystal's boss before.Its a point well taken that he didn't get to where he is by being stupid.He's a "fighting" General..met the elephant.Quite possibly WAS the only way to change the rules..God knows the administration isnt capable of doing it-or even understanding it.
So Mac got "fired".Well-dont think for ONE SECOND he's going to hang-up his pearl handled revolvers.Come the morning he'll still be wearin the green suit.
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I think yes he knew what he was doing, and still did it. He and everyone else was thinking it im sure. I think obama will get more and more troops killed. First you have too do what your genrals say that is unless you know what your doing, But he has no idea. When McChrystal asked for more troops and got the reply of obama trying to figure out what to do...Than still figuring it out...and still figuring it out...the whole time more and more men dieing. MAKE UP YOU MIDE ON YOUR PLAN OR DO WHAT THE GENERAL SAYS. Then When he sends the troops he sends way less, and that makes it about even cuz of all the ones you killed! Make up your mind because sitting there doing nothing is not the right choice. I do not like obama, I think you should at least have some military experince to be the military commander and cheif. AND obama will not fill that rol period. All he is is a good talker and that is not what a country needs. I think we also have enof goverment control Now y would we want more? What obama will do to this country is not good........
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