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bullseye0317
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Topic: Shooting Long Ranges With 308 Enfield?Posted: 27 July 2010 at 8:36am |
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I ges I will do that thank you, But would there be stuff that I would need to do to my gun? Like bedding it or just enything?
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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 8:54am |
One bullet that might fit your requirements, as well as they can be met, would be the Ballistic Tip bullets.
These use a plastic nose cone to give the bullet a slim sharp nose, the bullet itself has a hollow nose cavity that allows some expansion on impact.
The ballistic data on these indicate a greatly reduced sensitivity to cross winds, less wind drift at long range.
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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 10:48am |
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There is an old tried & tested method for becoming accurate at long range.
Start out at short range! Seriously start out getting the kinks out of your technique & practice at 100yds. Once you've done that back of to 200 & see what happens. This will let you find errors too small to have been seen at 100. Now back of to 300 & repeat. At this point you have learned to shoot well & "paid your dues", you've also learned a lot more than 95% of shooters will. Now & only now start looking at what things you need, not "want" to do to the rifle to make it shoot better. We're not talking "looking pretty gizmos" here, but we are talking things like making regulation changes to the bedding. Whatever you do do NOT start "re-bedding the rifle cuz' it'll shoot better", there are specific tricks & techniques to learn & practice here before you mess something up thru inexperience & impatience. There are whole books written on how to get better accuracy from an Enfield, till you have read them all you'll be needing to just absorb knowledge. As for ammo the post earlier is dead right. There are 2 ways to get a load your rifle likes. Method 1 reload for it. (This can be surprisingly inexpensive, for example a "Lee Loader" & a rubber hammer will give you amazingly good results for about $30.00.) Method 2, try every load commercially available till you find the one your exact rifle likes, now buy a huge quantity of it. (method 1 is faster & less expensive ) |
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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 11:45am |
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Reloading isn't a dark art it just needs basic tools and common sense. Read up everything you can ask on here and develop a load that suits you. As Shamu says DO NOT start messing about trying to rebed the rifle if you don't know what you're doing you can and will screw up the woodwork and end up with a rifle that shoots round corners.
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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 12:18pm |
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The DCRA here in Canada does what you are asking about (well not the 800 meter hunting, not sure anyone up here does that, I live on the prairies and a 300 to 400 yard shots aren't all that common, we try and get closer).
Check this out and there are some other links on there that might help
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Posted: 28 July 2010 at 1:59pm |
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I'll agree with Tony. Reloading isn't a dark art, just ask an experienced 're-loader' most will be happy to help. In fact, 're-loading' becomes an obsession Beware!
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Posted: 28 July 2010 at 3:54pm |
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Well, thank you guys for the help. I will see what she can do before I do enything to It I know that much lol. I have a R700p That shoots well out to 900 yards and have dont it many times... I just wanted to know more about the enfield and how she opretates at that ranges. And what round without reloading will do it...But hell I might just start reloding for it too. (If it that cheap)
Thanks and keep posting If you wish on info and stuff.!
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Posted: 09 August 2010 at 3:48pm |
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Hunting is about getting close to the game and killing it quickly, usually with one shot. I would never attempt a shot over 300 yards unless absolutely there was no other option. My longest was +400 yards in the Southern Alps of NZ. That was using a 30-06 and we were hunting tahr, and it was not a one shot kill. I shot 5 times and made 3 hits, the last in the spine to drop the animal. Not pretty but I got the tahr. An 800 yard shot is not tenable in my opinion. Get closer! That is what hunting is about. I will write that there is merit in practicing at long ranges, else a tahr would not be on my wall.
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Posted: 10 August 2010 at 12:04pm |
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What Kevin has said is true. Extreme range shots on game animals are inhumane in almost every case.
The reason military rifles have a listed effective range that exceeds the effective range on game animals is that killing a human in combat is secondary to putting that human fighter out of action. A severve but survivable wound will almost always end the soldiers usefulness to his side during the action at hand.
In many cases a wounded soldier can still perform a simple task such as triggering a claymore, so close to medium range killing power is very important.
A artillery observer that just took a glancing shot to the face on the otherhand is highly unlikely to be able to continue to feed accurate range information to his battery.
The most impressive action by a horrifically wounded individual I can think of was whwn a US Tank Commander continued to command his company after his entire upper face and both eyes were carried away by a glancing AP tank round.
He cleared the shattered bones from his throat and using his phenomenal chess playing skills visualized every aspect of the battle in his mind by the radio reports alone and masterfully out manuvered the German commander.
Such superhuman endurance and focus is not to be seen very often.
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Posted: 10 August 2010 at 9:57pm |
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If this is the style of shooting you prefer I will point you in the right direction...you won't need to reload....but it will cost you money and you won't be shooting an Enfield....
.338 Lapua is your friend.....shoots pretty flat for the first 500, not much drop for a while after that....if you want to kill things from far, far away....don't try to kill a water buff with a .22.....choose the right tool for the job...whatever your job might be....most people that I have met that are interested in extreme range shots are either frustrated snipers or people that played too many video games....just sayin.... |
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 8:55am |
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Lost Roo, would you like to qualify your last? By long range shots, do you mean 'long range hunting????
I intend to shoot long range target, as all short range target is getting a little boring and I need the challenge of a greater distance. I don't consider myself either a frustrated sniper nor do I play video games. I just punch holes in paper.
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Posted: 11 August 2010 at 9:11am |
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I think his choice of words was intended. He didn't say "long range", he said "extreme range".
I think that long range target shooting is a worthwhile skill to master & I don't consider myself in either category he lists. Now hunting is a different deal entirely, I'd be dead set against taking the shots on an animal that I take on either paper, or reactive targets. My point being that the distance that constitutes "extreme" will vary depending on what is being attempted. Even the O.P. seemed a little confused as to what exactly he was attempting. |
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