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    Posted: 03 December 2006 at 6:21pm
Good evening gents !! .......

Back in April/06  " .303 Carbine " posted some load data from his shooting friend that owns a 1943 #4 Longbranch in  .303 Epps.......that would be me....
I'm pretty new to useing a puter for anything other than as a way to glean information about firearms/reloading etc...

This message will be  to see if what I type actually appears....

I have been reloading for about 30 years now......and casting/shooting lead bullets also for about 25 years.....I reload for about 16 different calibers........My knowledge of Enfield rifles is  limited to what I've learned from computer info searchs in the past 6 years.......but like most Canadian kids  growing up in the 1950 s/ 60's there was a Lee Enfield on the gunrack on the wall in  plain view .....it was my fathers  #5 Jungle Carbine.......

My test rifle was  a "sporter"  and everything but the wood was in very good condition ...so I purchased  a Ramline synthetic stock.....and a scope and  mount and had it reamed to .303 Epps..

yes..... no doubt this proceedure was  not in keeping with the "Faithfull"  however  as I'm fond of saying.....IT WORKS FOR ME!!

Load Data to be posted next!

hs4570.................your mileage may vary
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All loads were shot off the bench with sand bags and the 3x9 scope on  9X..

A lot of my targets for the accurate loads...  and i mean over 60 % show two shots touch or almost touch and the third is like a flyer... just never managed to hold the rifle in the same spot for these 3rd shots......
The barrel is free floated in the plastic stock and keeping it on the front bag just in front of the magazine  seems to work best at the range....

The rifle has 3 magazines that were altered to accept  5  Epps ctgs..... but all shots were single loaded....

First........you have the actual velocities for these on John's original April post...

....( IVI, Imperial, Dominion cases and bullets are  from same factory in Canada but different names for  different decades ......)

All shot  in  fireformed  1980's ivi brass ....winchester LRPrimers

45.0 gr. Reloder 15.............180gr  R N Imperial  @ 2360 ish ....3 shots/100yds/ two touch... 3rd makes it  0.75 inch

46.0 gr Re 15...........180 RN Imperial  @2450 ish...2 shots.... 0.90 inch..3rd makes it  2.50 inch...

47.0 gr Re 15.....180 Rn Imperial @ 2520 ish....2 shots....0.30 inch...3rd makes it  1.50 inch group / 100 yards

48.0 gr. Re 15...180 RN  Imperial  @2570 ish fps..  2shots..0.50 inch...3rd makes it ... 1.40 inch group/ 100 yards


Same bullet with Imr4895

43.0 gr imr4895.....2425 ' ish  fps... 100yards...2 shots..0.90 inch..3rd makes it 1.50 inch group

44.0 gr Imr4895...2480 ish fps...100yrds....2 shots 0.50 inch..3rd makes it 2.25 inch group

45.0 gr Imr 4895.....2520 ish fps...100 yards....2 shots..0.40 inch...3rd makes it 1.25 inch

46.0 gr Imr4895...2560 ish fps...2 shots 1.60 inch..3rd makes it 3.0 inch group

Hogdons H335.........same bullet

42.0 gr H335.......2345 ish fps.....2 shots...0.75 inch..3rd makes it ...2.50 inch

43.0 gr H335......2370 ish fps......3 shots/100 yards into 3.0 inch group

44.0 gr H335....2450 ish fps....*****3 shots / 100 yards...0.60 inches...............best group  with  this combination of components.......or I finally held right for the 3rd shot ....

IMR3031 and 180 rn........I had 4 case head seperations in 9  shots so will have to reshoot this when time permits......my fault ...these cases where of uknown used  origin /fireings....

Newer loads

same ivi brass and win. primers.....190 gr R Nose ivi

45.0 gr Reloder 15.........2271...2299...2295 fps......(75 yds today)
2 shots.......0.50 inch.......3rd made it 1.45 inch group

46.0 gr Re15.......2349...2329..2306  fps...2shots....,0.60..3rd makes it 1.85 inch group


174 grain  1940's Canadian  military FMJ.........pull downs  IVI brass Winchester LRPrimers

Imr4895

43.0 gr Imr 4895....2328...2366...2396  fps ( 75 yds ) 3 shots..0.90 inch

44.0 gr Imr4895...2403...2427...2406  fps....2 shots touch..3rd makes it  0.80 inch

45.0 gr Imr4895...2472..2493..2476......2 shots  0.50 inch....3rd not on same target with case seperation occuring..


H335......174 fmj

44.0 gr H335.....2403..2506..2447  fps   1.22 inch / 75yds

45.0 gr H335....2525...2484...2532 fps........   0.76 inch / 75 yds


Reloder #15 / 174 fmj

45.0 gr Re 15...2410...2446..2439  fps.....2 shots/ 0.44..3rd makes..2.35 inch group

46.0 Re 15...2429...2476...2449 fps.......3 shots/ 75 yd....0.77 inch grp.

47.0 Re15...2556...2526...2529 fps....3 shots /75 yd/....1.40 inch

48.0 Re 15...2538...2555..2587 fps..2 shots/75 yd...0.35...3rd makes..1.20 in. group


Our small and informal range has a 100 to  200 yd  area and if its being used you use the short adjacent 75 yd range or wait and wait ....

more to come.........


hs4570.............your mileage may vary













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Welcome to the site Mate, put on a straight jacket & join the crowd ! Interesting results there I must admit !

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.303 Epps..............win. primers ...ivi Military cases

123 gr. Lapua spz fmj......(.309 ).......believed  for 7.62 x 39 useage
Case Neck sized  .308

47.0 gr Reloder 15.......2497...2550...2480 fps 3 shots/75 yds/ 1.0 inch
48.0 Re 15......2574...2560...2549 fps.....3 shots/75 yds/ also 1.0 inch
49.0 Re 15......2634...2695...2680  fps....3 shots/75 yds/ 1.25 inch

H335  

47.0 gr H335.....2746...2781...2780 fps...3 shots/75 yds/1.54 inch
48.0 gr H335.....2834.. 2822...2840 fps... 3 shots/75 yds/   0.70 inch


125 gr. Nosler Bal Tip   (.308)

47.0 gr H335...2728...2761...2741...3 shots/ 75 yds/ 0.76 inch
48.0 gr H335...2800...2761...2749...3 shots/75 yds/1.20 inch
49.0 gr H335...2811...2869...2898...3 shots/ 75 yds/  2.23 in (2= .90 inch)



Hornady (.312 )  85 grain HP-XTP.....................75 yards
IMR4198.....load data is 1969 ish Speer manual for 100 grain  .303 British

37.0 gr Imr 4198..... no chrono readings...  2 shots 0.50 inch/3 @1.75. inch.
38.0 gr Imr4198...2935...3025...2959 fps ..3 shots..1.50 inch

39.0 gr Imr4198...2970...3093...3041...3shots ..1.75 inch

40.0 gr. IMR4198...3157..3160..3142.. 3 shots.  =  0.80 inch



.......H335          Hornady 85 grain   75 yards

45.0 gr H335....2768..2590..2761 fps.. 3 shots  2.00 inch.

46.0 gr H335....2747..2748..2760.....3 shots...2.50 inch

47.0 gr H335..no readings....2 shots touch..3rd @ 1.50 inch

48.0 gr H335..no readings....2 shots  0.50 inch..3rd.1.25 inch grp.

49.0 gr H335...2930...2981...2976 fps...2 shots 0.75..3rd..1.53 in.
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Experimentings only....these loads do not exist in any loading manuals and use BLUEDOT pistol/shotgun powder.....no fillers....replicate at your own risk !
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85 gr Hornady   ivi brass   Win. lrp.........75 yards

17.0 gr Bluedot......no readings...3 shots....0.60 inch
18.0 gr Bluedot....no readings...3 shots..2.0 inch
19.0 gr Bluedot....no readings....3 shots...0.50 inch
20.0 gr Bluedot....no readings...3 shots..1.20 inch
21.0 gr Bluedot.... 2519...2588...2474......3 shots  1.0 inch
22.0 gr Bluedot....2504...2540...2551...3 shots  1.25 inch
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303 epps........180 grain Remington spt  flat base  (308)/  ivi  case neck sized .308..Win LRP..........75 yards

46.0 gr.  Reloder 15...2377...2390..2373 fps.....3 shots   0.58 inch
47.0 gr.  Re 15        ...2431..2439..n/r....3 shots   2.00 inch
48.0 gr.  Re 15         ..2438..2422..2384    ..3 shots  0.90 inch

As above components with 220 grain  Win. Silvertip (.308)

38.0 grain Imr 4895...1915..1893..1968 fps..3 shots/75 yd/ 1.13 inch
39.0 grain Imr 4895...1998..2005..2018 fps...3 shots/75 yd/  1.20 inch
40.0 gr went to 3.5 inch group.....


220 gr silvertip etc. continued...

"Lyman" accuracy load copied for .303 British 215 gr.

43.0 Gr. IMR 4350......2036...2021...2012 fps ..3 shots/75 yds/ 0.54 inch


This ends my data for the .303 Epps .........at least until the weather gets better...........all the best !

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MAN!!! If ya gotta remeber all that stuff, I'd get a headache!!I'd hafta wear earplugs @ night so'it don't leak out!!!
Man, thats ALOT of data.
Shows the blokes on this site sure know they're stuff!
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Howdy to hs4570, welcome to the site.

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