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Topic: shimming to fix "off" bedding.Posted: August 26 2014 at 1:30am |
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Carrying on the saga of fitting the #5 back from Billy &
Barney Bubba-Bob's "Glass Bedding" attempt. |
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Posted: August 26 2014 at 3:23am |
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It seems we have parallel projects on the go. Let us know how it turns out.
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Posted: August 26 2014 at 5:43am |
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Sounds like it.
Mostly I learned that you need to clamp both the front & the rear so as you "hinge up" the bottom metal (pivoting on the rear trigger guard screw) it tensions the rear mounting points & then as you tighten the big screw it tensions the front end. Its a bit like the Garand/M-14, but almost reversed. I've read a lot about "King Screw" tension, but very little about tensioning the back end. |
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Posted: August 26 2014 at 11:30am |
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Shamu I would concentrate more on repauring the draw area of the stock to pull the forend up hard against the butt socket. All the original in letting and final fitting was done with these two faces firmly in contact.
Have you read any of Peter laidlers articles? |
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Posted: August 26 2014 at 10:19pm |
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I would have done exactly that, but for the bedding of the spacer collar. AS it is I'm trying to fix what exists so I don't have to replace the forend.
I did manage to shim the stock rear & the draws plus creating tension in the rear of the action. |
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Posted: August 27 2014 at 10:58am |
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How about some photos? I'm curious as to what you've done so far.
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Posted: August 27 2014 at 8:00pm |
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Shamu, for the work on my No1 MkIII* I've been studying Roger Wadhams 2012 book, which I find an excellent source of info, he also has many videos on youtube regarding accurising the Lee Enfield and they are worth watching as the complement the info in the book. Peter Laidler's articles are also good reading. The "Bolt" article being very useful! They are on Milsurps forum.
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Posted: August 27 2014 at 9:15pm |
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I looked at several sources before I tried anything. What I'm trying is kind of a fusion of several of them. The rear end work is pretty much directly copied from Roger Wadhams video on fitting the action.
Let me get this setup to the range & see if it actually works, or how well then I'll post pics as I'll have to open it all up to make the changes permanent anyway. The problem is in a way I'm NOT doing accurizing. That assumes I'm starting with a standard, but unfitted stock. What I have is a permanently (& poorly) modified stock I'm trying to rescue. In the service an armourer would simply condemn this stock & fit another, but unfortunately I don't have that option. Because of that I have to work with the lemon I have to make lemonade. ![]() |
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Posted: August 28 2014 at 1:25am |
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I'm sure it will shoot better with a bit of time spent on it. On my SMLE the wood has been replaced, and while it looks fabulous outside, it has not had the proper adjusted fit that it should have got. So thats were I'm starting out at the moment. There are still a few bits to check to get that right; but it has gone from over 6 MOA to about 4 MOA at present so it's improving. but I won't be able to get working on it for a couple of weeks
![]() With the original barrel it was closer to 12 MOA; I was absolutely gutted the first time I took it to the range!
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Posted: August 28 2014 at 5:02am |
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I think you have the right idea. Fox the most obvious problem first. Then test & fix the next one. Step & repeat till you get no further improvement! With me it was the globs of epoxy in the barrel channel, they just had to go.
Now its how far up the sides of the breech the epoxy should go. Next is gong to be should I hack out the glass work & start over with a donor stock or try a rebuild. |
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Posted: August 28 2014 at 6:01am |
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Probably comes down to how much time and money you want to spend re bubba'ing bubba. If you just want to shoot it, get a ramline plastic stock for a No4 and re glass bed it into it. If you want to restore it, time to look for better woodwork. Even a good No4 foreend to start with and go from there.
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Posted: August 28 2014 at 9:20pm |
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I'm thinking of wood if I replace it. I have a sporter butt-stock in walnut so all I'd need would be a walnut forend from Boyds if I go that route.
Unfortunately the matching walnut forend is also Bubba'd so I'm right back where I started unless I buy a replacement anyway. |
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Posted: September 01 2014 at 11:17pm |
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Well, shimming to put tension on the receiver front &
back did something all right. It dropped the POI by about 6" so it is now
printing exactly where the original front sight would have been had I not
swapped it out for a different one to bring the POA & POI together.
I do have a bubba'd sporter forend that might be rescuable, so the next step is to try that at least for now to see if I can somehow get it to bed properly. I'm going to have to start somewhere else though as its a Mk2 forend with the missing wood at the back & no bracing strap. I'll take some pics of the shimming as I tear the poor old thing down. |
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Posted: September 02 2014 at 2:25am |
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Is it possible the shimming at the rear end has pushed the draws away from the lugs? I would think to have a good wedged fit between the draws and lugs would require a little free space between the underside of the receiver at the rear and the top of the wood behind the draws. This is just an assumption, I am not experienced enough to know exactly what's going on; but you did have a group of 5" and now it's changed into an 8" string. So something has changed. Has the butt stock come loose? that can send them off a bit as well.
Also from the little I've read about the No5; it would appear that it is unlikely to shoot as well as your No4. |
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Posted: September 02 2014 at 5:22am |
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Anything is possible with this poor old thing.
![]() Here are some pics after I removed the "bedding" from the barrel channel. This is the horror story I'm trying to fix. I have a nice walnut butt stock if I have to go the sporter route. The forend is almost as bad though. Its been hogged out & converted to a Mk2 by having the rear end jigsawed. To be fair to the seller I bought this as a butt stock & some "scrap wood" as walnut is getting to be hard to find. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: September 02 2014 at 5:30am |
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Sorry the site missed the shot of the insides of the receiver area.
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