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Sarge
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 6:06am |
Not strictly Enfield bayonets, but Enfield type = Model-1917. These are my little treasures.
Top to bottom:- Top = M17 : Remington (1918), in Mk.1 Scabbard. Middle = M17 : Remington (1918), in Mk.2 Scabbard. Bottom = M17 : Remingtom, in British '07' Scabbard (Painted 'OD-Green'). During WW2, the British 'Home Guard' were issued with the P14 and SMLE Rifles. They had a tendancy to paint the Scabbards, aswell as the metal parts of the Bayonets and Rifles either 'Brown' or 'Green'. A close-up of the two M17 (1918). Only Remington stamped their bayonets in this manner, and for a very short space of time. For some unexplained reason, the model code of 1917, was at the begining of 1918... changed as you see it. The fault was noticed and rectified very quickly. There are no actual production figures for how many of the -1918- version of the M17 were let through. However, it is reckoned to be in the very low.. single figure.. thousands.
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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nice collection of bayonets and scabords , your first mark scabord is much nicer than mine , these are often found with the leather hanger torn or completely ripped off ,
not sure you are aware or perhaps its outside your focus , but there are two other scabords for the M1917 , one is the early WWII fiberglass version , the other is a similar fiberglass varient of viet nam era vintage , they have a longer collar than the M3 and are differently marked with M1917 , these bayonets were also used on the trench shotguns ,
there was a viet nam era M1917 bayonet as well , its galvenized with black plastic scales , i kick myself often for letting that VN era combination go from my collection , at the time they were fairly cheap now they are significantly more spendy ,
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Yes... I'm aware of the other scabbards, and the 'Cutlary' variant of the M17 with chequered grips. These are not in my interest, as I tend to stay Pre -or- WW1 period.
I do have several Winchesters with Mk.1, Mk.2, and '07' scabbards back in the USA.
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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so do you split your time between the two or are you from one and working the other side ?
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Sarge
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I am English, and working here at the moment. I keep a storage unit, and put everything in there after I met the wife on holiday in the USA. I'm selling off a couple of my collections = Books, Silk Embroidered Postcards, as it will cost me the earth to send them stateside.
Eventually, everything will be stateside.
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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congrats , and welcome , dont envey the work involved , i have a good friend who did this in reverse
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paddyofurniture
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How hard it it for you to export military items out of to England to the States?
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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Sarge
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For deactivated ordnance... Grenades, Mortars, Rifle / Pistol ammunition = near impossible. The paperwork involved is frightening. Then there is the over-reaction of customs officials. There are reported incidents of customs calling in bomb squads to dispose of 'RESIN REPLICA' ordnance. For edged weapons... its getting harder by the second. There are so many restrictions coming in because of beurocratic idiocy, that genuine collectors are being classed as terrorists. |
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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paddyofurniture
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That is truly sad.
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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yes indeed , id say we are going to see many disappear in upcoming years as restrictions get more repressive
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paddyofurniture
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What a sad state of affairs.
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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A tad of a contradiction to what I've been led to believe as the facts, but I've since found out (verified by several individuals) that if the firearm has been made incapable of firing... (as is the case with British deacts = a miracle is required in order to reactivate it)... the weapon can be placed in ones bulk baggage, and shippped with the mover. Deact ordnace likewise. :-) A copy of the deact certificate will be required to be on-hand with the mover should questions be asked. Thats actually great news, because I have a timeline of Enfields:- 1) Long Lee-Enfield (MLE) dated 1901. 2) Long Lee-Enfield (CLLE) dated 1901. 3) SMLE No.1 Mk.1 = BSA 1903. 4) SMLE No.1 Mk.3 = Enfield 1911. 5) SMLE No.1 Mk.3* = BSA 1916. 6) SMLE No.1 Mk.3* = BSA 1917. 7) SMLE No.1 Mk.3* = Enfield 1918.
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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are these all deacs ? im crying as i type ,
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Sadly.... Yes!!!
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This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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