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    Posted: June 29 2014 at 9:49am
It's been a while... but I have yet another Enfield:





My guess is that she started out in 1915 as your garden variety No. III, but in 1948 it was converted to .22.  Needs a good scrub, but she'll do nicely.

That makes 3..
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Originally posted by BlackAck BlackAck wrote:

It's been a while... but I have yet another Enfield:





My guess is that she started out in 1915 as your garden variety No. III, but in 1948 it was converted to .22.  Needs a good scrub, but she'll do nicely.

That makes 3..

That is very nice. I never knew they were converted to .22s until now.
A while ago, in this site, I was reading one in 45-70 for sale. I never knew such a thing as that either.
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Martin, it is amazing how versatile the Enfield design really is.. being able to be modified for specific military or civilian needs. 

I have since learned that this particular rifle was refurbished by Parker Hale in 1948 thanks to a prominent M.192 contract stamp... and the internet.  These .22 Enfields are quite special to me as this is what I learned to shoot on with the cadets, so in a sense I am going back to where it all began.  Did I mention I am looking forward to taking her to the range?
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If it was converted by Parker Hale does that mean it has the original barrel sleeved with a .22 rifled tube  insert ?
These are great fun to shoot; and they don't make too much noise. 
At my local club they are used to me shooting my .22's; but last week I took my .303 and suggested to the guys next to me to put on the ear defender's. They didn't; and got quite a surprise when I started shooting LOL
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I need to get me one of the .22 trainers just for that purpose! That would be great fun
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I love the .22 trainers, you can put a box full through them every weekend and it won't break the bank.
If we had a longer range I'd probably be broke shooting the .303's though!
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

If it was converted by Parker Hale does that mean it has the original barrel sleeved with a .22 rifled tube  insert ?


Yes.  If it helps, the insert cannot be removed, so it is not a conversion kit that is temporary.  My feeling is that if this work were completed in 1948, and the rifle dated from 1915, the .303 barrel was well and truly shot... no pun intended. Smile

 
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Originally posted by BlackAck BlackAck wrote:

Martin, it is amazing how versatile the Enfield design really is.. being able to be modified for specific military or civilian needs. 

I have since learned that this particular rifle was refurbished by Parker Hale in 1948 thanks to a prominent M.192 contract stamp... and the internet.  These .22 Enfields are quite special to me as this is what I learned to shoot on with the cadets, so in a sense I am going back to where it all began.  Did I mention I am looking forward to taking her to the range?

And too Me, IF I had one of those rifles, it would be a very special treat to own.
I do have a few .22s and it is always a joy to take them out, usuallt to the field to pop a few Prairie Dogs.
After that quit showing their heads at the closer ranges, I get out the M1A and start all over, it does`nt take long and they too quit showing.
I`ll then get out the 30-338 Magnum and go for the ones that are a real long distances.
Really neat shooting P.Dogs with the 30-338, the dog flies one direction and the mound disappears, nothing left but a cloud of dust. LOL

Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

If it was converted by Parker Hale does that mean it has the original barrel sleeved with a .22 rifled tube  insert ?
These are great fun to shoot; and they don't make too much noise. 
At my local club they are used to me shooting my .22's; but last week I took my .303 and suggested to the guys next to me to put on the ear defender's. They didn't; and got quite a surprise when I started shooting LOL

Strange how that works, it is as if they never heard You at all, does`nt take them long to find cover after the first shot though. LOL
One time, there were several people at the range shooting AR types of rifles.
I wanted to test fire some new loads out of My AR10, My nephew fires a round, then nine more.
When We were preparing to leave, My nephew heard a boy next to our bench exclaim, "Wow Dad, that was a bigger rifle than ours huh." LOL
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'AL 12' Any ideas?

A rack number?  Cadet/university unit mark? 


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The Sht.22 MkIV was introduced in 1922, in 1926 the designation was changed to No2 MkIV* so i would think the original converstion was made between 1922 & 26 but i have no idea when the markings were changed but if it was converted in 1948 i would think it would be marked as a No2 MkIV* & not as a Sht.22 MkIV* the star would have been added later.
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This is the only clue of alterations or repairs occurring in 1948. 
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I'd really like to hear what you guys think of the 'AL 12' marking (see photo a few posts up).  I recall seeing a list on the internet on Enfield markings for schools and colleges..
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Originally posted by BlackAck BlackAck wrote:

I'd really like to hear what you guys think of the 'AL 12' marking (see photo a few posts up).  I recall seeing a list on the internet on Enfield markings for schools and colleges..

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=33307
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Some more mighty interesting stuff, seems to be a state trooper{Police} markings. LOL
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So, based on that link above, this .22 may have served with the Alirajpur or Alwar State Forces.  Or even Israel.. Whoever it served with, a 1948 'going over' by Parker Hale, would suggest a return to Blighty.  We will never know for sure....

Pretty cool regardless. 
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