1907 Wilkinson Bayonet Scabbard ? |
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musketjon
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Posted: September 01 2014 at 3:12pm |
I have a 1907 Wilkinson bayonet. My question is about the scabbard. It is a black leather (1907?) scabbard. The throat and end pieces are painted black. I can see no markings on it any where. The button for the frog is tear drop shaped, not round. Any ideas what it is, or maybe who made it?
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Sarge
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musketjon... posting a pic or two would be a great help, not only for yourself... but for others who may have the answer.
I have been collecting the British Pattern-1907 Sword Bayonet for a number of decades now, and have come across what you describe on many an occasion. I have several examples in my collection. In Great Britain during WW2, the 'Home Guard' had a tendency to paint every metal part of their weapons (bayonets especially) either: Black, Green, or Brown... all in aid of assisting camouflage. Weapons previously painted in such a way, showing the residue of such action... are not rare, and one comes across such items (especially the bayonets) on quite a regular basis. So... you could very well have one of those items. As to manufacturers marking! Like the SMLE service rifle, the '07' bayonet has had quite a lengthy service history. The scabbard body, being made of leather, tends to wear out at different rates, depending upon what service conditions the item has been used under. British made items will have makers marks stamped into the leather on the reverse side---> either side of the scabbard seam... normally from the top to mid way. Replacement American made items tend to be void of markings upon the leather, and are more supple. Makers marks upon the metal parts of the scabbard (Locket = top, Chape = tip) will be found either above or below the metal staple. Such stampings, should they be present, only indicate who the manufacturer of the metal item was. Due to refurbishment during the scabbards service history, all three items---> Locket, Scabbard body, Chape.... could be from different manufacturers and time periods. As an added interest... due to your '07' being manufactured by the firm of 'WILKINSON', it could be either a WW1 or WW2 item. This will be determined upon the blades left ricasso stamping. For WW1, it will be either of the following:- 1) WILKINSON 2) WILKINSON PALL MALL For WW2, it will be:- 1) WSC S294 Also, stamped upon the same ricasso will be the manufacture date in the form of two separate sets of numerals = MM/YY, e.g.; 12 18 = December 1918. Which brings me back to my opening sentence... 'Photograph's please!' |
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musketjon
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I'll try to get some up tonight. Thanks for the info.
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musketjon
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Here's a couple of pics.
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Your bayonet is certainly the genuine item. But lets see a few good pics of the scabbard. Looking at the distance shot.... it could be any maker.
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musketjon
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Sarge, et. al.
Here's the requisite pictures. Jon The only markings I can find on the scabbard itself. |
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Ayup Jon...
Its always better to post a pic or two to illustrate what one's enquiry is about. Thank you for posting. The scabbard is most definitely a replacement item, and is not of the same time period as your bayonet. The 'W' part of the scabbard stamping denotes that the overall finish of the scabbard is termed as 'Waxed'. This modification appeared approx. 1923. The remainder of the scabbard stamping gives the manufacturer and manufacture date. For the latter part of the scabbard stamping I have to admit to being caught slightly off-guard. Getting oneself back into the swing can have a few drawbacks... for my section of these particular records are in hardcopy, and still stored away with a good section of my reference volumes. At the earliest... I'll retrieve them at the beginning of the week. Unless... can anyone else help out here? Seph. |
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Thank you, Sarge.
I'll be waiting to see what kind of light can be shed on this. Jon |
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