Is this a Military scope mount.

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   Hi Guys, I work in a Military Museum and we have a No. 1 Mk III* with this scope mounted.  I have been unable to find any images or anything on the net that confirms or denies that this is a military type scope mount.  Hopefully someone here can help me.

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sgtlynn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 01 2022 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgtlynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Is this a Military scope mount. Posted: February 01 2022 at 3:13pm
	Hi Guys, I work in a Military Museum and we have a No. 1 Mk III* with this scope mounted. I have been unable to find any images or anything on the net that confirms or denies that this is a military type scope mount. Hopefully someone here can help me.

sgtlynn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 01 2022 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgtlynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 01 2022 at 9:02pm


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	It does look like original sniping equipment...

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	I did not find any identical scope and fittings in either Skennerton's "Lee Enfield" or Steve Houghton's "The British Sniper". I expect the scope would have the maker's mark on it somewhere. Can you identify the maker? Also note that your rifle is fitted with the wrong magazine for the type. You have a No4Mk1 rifle magazine.
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sgtlynn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 01 2022 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgtlynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 02 2022 at 2:49pm
	I don't have it with me at the moment, I know the scope is made in Germany. I will find the right magazine in our spares, but that is the one it arrived with. I also looked through Skennertons book but didn't find anything to match, hence my posting it here

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 02 2022 at 3:50pm
	That scope is definitely German with that turret & lock knob. Are there any markings on it? (I'm thinking a Hensoldt of some kind)?
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smerdon42 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 20 2018 Location: Natick MA Status: Offline Points: 483	Post Options Post Reply Quote smerdon42 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 03 2022 at 7:27am
	You have to remember the poms used captured German scopes at the start of the war as they didn’t have none of their own. they used German tech to make up the ww1 scopes .

bubba ho tep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: June 19 2017 Location: KY abode Status: Offline Points: 290	Post Options Post Reply Quote bubba ho tep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 03 2022 at 7:32am
	Looks like a typical german 2 3/4 power tube that has had it's mounting bastardized and mated to that SMLE. Definitely not period and definitely not sturdy. This is just a fraudster attempt or someone wasting original geramn optics for a lark. This is a very crude adaption. If reciever has been dovetailed for base I'd be leary of safety issues arising for that much metal removed at that point.

shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 03 2022 at 6:44pm
	It was done on the Mauser rifles with great success. This mount looks like a typical German mount with a Oigee Berlin or Luxor type scope. Period correct for WWI, but not WWII and I`d say not British, but who knows for sure without provenance.

bubba ho tep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: June 19 2017 Location: KY abode Status: Offline Points: 290	Post Options Post Reply Quote bubba ho tep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 03 2022 at 8:54pm
	The front base mount has been modified from the original german claw. The rear "dog leg" is modified and crudely so to mate to it's present host. This rear leg is the very weak not durable link here. It's not military grade by any means. To do the mods to this scope and rings the scope would have had to be completely disassembled - rings are soldered in pace on tube. It's obvious this was done and the finish has suffered accordingly . The rear ring/dogleg also appears askew and bent from recoil with this ad hoc arrangement. Likely no able to zero this properly as the original ability to 'windage' was eliminated when rear dogleg was modified. I doubt this is period as finishes of rile and such are all over the place and not consistent with having been together since the great war. I'd wager this may even be a movie prop type setup.

sgtlynn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 01 2022 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgtlynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 08 2022 at 9:11pm
	A couple of photos of the scope markings, really cannot read them from the photos. They say "Voightlander & Sonn, Braunschweig, Skoparette, No. 19428"

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shiloh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 08 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 3049	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiloh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 09 2022 at 3:15am
	What museum are you at Sgt Lynn?

sgtlynn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 01 2022 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgtlynn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 09 2022 at 8:50am
	The Canadian Scottish Regimental Museum in Victoria. https://www.facebook.com/The-Canadian-Scottish-Regimental-Museum-and-Archive-1787087264888373