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im so happy mine came with everything intact - my big quest was a proper no5 bayonet , that does look like a nice solution , 
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To remove mine took repeated heating up with a blow torch then rapid cooling down.
Then persuasion with a large heavy engineers hammer.
It eventually let go, but I thought it might break the barrel out of the receiver first to be honest.
A previous owner has cut the lug, sight base and flash hider cone off, so was a real mess.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mc Tool Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2022 at 6:30pm
Well , I didnt want to give away to much ( being a newbie here 😁) but now that you have opened the door .....yeah ,I heated the "jolly🤬piece of 💩" smokin hot and ,yep , got the bfh swinging. I just got to the point that common sense was telling me to give it up. I actually started to think maybe its all one piece . 🙂

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I know your pain, have been there myself. 
When I did get the F#*%$ thing off, for the life of me there was no obvious reason it was so well stuck. Made me wonder if they heat shrank them on originally.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mc Tool Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2022 at 8:47pm
Yeah , I guess if they weren't to fussy about machining the mating surfaces smooth ( and they probly weren't ) heating the bejesus out of the flash hider and dropping it on ......would be like being almost screwed on , and heating it up that hot to get it off could be detrimental to muzzle dimensions and any heat treatment of the barrel steel .......maybe 
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OK. So, the pins are first - left or right. I have only done three of these, and I'm finding the fit (BSA Farzacaly) machining cannot be faulted for finish or size by any reasonable party, as expected, (Milspec).  What was very difficult, was the removal of the taper pins.  Some I managed to remove with correct pin punching.  Others had to be carefully drilled from either direction to minimize misalignment.  Then the holes, by graduation opened up to the pin size.  Allowing removal.  This operation takes a long time by a skilled craftsman. Using oversize taper pins and correct reamers, Alignment can be restored.  I destroyed lots of pin punches during the whole process to arrive where I am now.
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If you do manage to remove taper pins.
You only need to warm the metal.
Before employing correct punch and holder.
Hydraulic press will do the job
The punch shown is critical dimension to avoid crown damage
I think 9mm is about spot on.



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Hopefully you can see.. ultimately it is not worth the effort to rebuild a JC.
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I got the pins out .....and back in  , but ,as I say  couldnt budge the flash hider . I did think of using a punch and a press ( made my own 20 ton  job ) bit I didnt think the was enough of the barrel end exposed to support the punch and I could visualise the end of the punch sticking out of the flash hider which would then be even tighter 🙂
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Here is a better picture of what helped me remove the flash hiders, The steel block has a 16.5 mm hole to accommodate barrel.  The punch is 9mm (very important size).  Very little surface to surface contact. Just 0.5mm per side.  The compromise is not to overload the punch in the press an deform the crown.  So as long as the pins are removed completely, and you get it quite warm or hot, they do come off, as you would expect, with no damage.  Just as a side, I have been doing this type of problem solving for years.  And it still took me over a year to get all my ducks lined up in a row to get it done.  The main reason for my post is just to show that it can be done.  I did have access to a wire cutter for the profiles. and also, a CNC machine for adding the details to the profiles. also welding and machining equipment. But if you were of a mind, you could farm this stuff out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pisco Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2022 at 7:44pm
Nice work fixing the lug 
I was thinking of trying to get hold of a flash hider and get someone to copy them
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I originally thought of that too, a few years ago, when I found myself needing some and couldn't get them.  Being a machinist by trade for the last 30 years, I have a reasonable understanding of the process required to make these.  Originally made by a process of forging, punching, pressing, broaching, machining, on a grand scale.  Today would be made in small quantities to order, machined from round bar, with as many operations as possible done in a 5 axis CNC machine, possibly last operation being wire cutting the dovetail.  I really don't think you would get much change from $400 - we don't have thousands of people needing these - hence why I ended up doing it my way - at a cost of zero (for me) (excluding my time spent) - just as an experiment I could try sending the solid 3D model and drawings I made to China and India for a quote.  I'm hearing that's what some people do nowadays. 
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I wonder could you fabricate JUST the bayonet lug & silver solder it to an existing flash suppressor housing?
You can safely silver solder front sight ramps without damage to the barrel but I'm not really sure of the strength with a bayonet attached?
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

I wonder could you fabricate JUST the bayonet lug & silver solder it to an existing flash suppressor housing?
You can safely silver solder front sight ramps without damage to the barrel but I'm not really sure of the strength with a bayonet attached?
Yeah but  Enfield never   soldered them on 😆 and , well ,you may as well drill and tap it ( metric thread😆)for a scope .........argh ! where would it end . Next thing will be chambering enfields for modern ammo 🤯
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Carbide circular saw blade teeth are silver soldered, so I see no reason why the lug wouldn`t be fine.
Well done silver soldering is remarkably strong.
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