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NH2112
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Posted: November 21 2015 at 5:10pm |
I finally got out and shot my Santa Fe 1941 Supreme the other day, and the ProMag 10-rounder was as bad as I'd been told it was. So, I'm looking for an original magazine. Problem is, I plan on hunting with this rifle so the magazine can't hold more than 5 rounds. GunBroker has an original unissued Savage 10-round magazine, but no way in he!! am I going to buy that to modify. They also have a 5-round Japanese-made magazine which my research tells me was made for Santa Fe. I haven't found anything that says they're junk, but neither have I found anything saying they're as good as the originals. Should I pick it up?
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Phil
Rock River Arms AR15, .223 Wylde S&W Model 10-1, .38 Spl Mossberg 500, 12ga Santa Fe No. 4 Mk 1, .303 Brit |
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Shamu
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You can easliy do a non-permanent (read drop in) conversion to make a 10-round mag a 5 rounder.
I'd get the real 10-rounder & block it to 5 with alloy or wood bolted to the she!! through the drain hole. That should be hunting legal just about anywhere. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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daneko
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I have three santa fe rifles.they all have the 5 rounder. [made in japan]and work fine.also have a 5 round [made in england] that came with a bubbed up no 3 its flush fit. will end up a lee speed replica [some day] Dane........
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NH2112
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Well, I found that the 5-round mag capacity limit is only for autoloaders, so a 10-rounder will be 100% legal without modifications. So I guess I have to decide whether I like the original look, or the (almost) flush look better.
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Phil
Rock River Arms AR15, .223 Wylde S&W Model 10-1, .38 Spl Mossberg 500, 12ga Santa Fe No. 4 Mk 1, .303 Brit |
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Shamu
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I'd go with whichever works more reliably. I don't think Bambi is going to read you a treatise on "rifle cosmetics"!
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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LilysDad
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I've heard these remarks about the ProMag magazines more than once. What is the issue with them? Do they need adjustments to the feed 'ears'?
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White Rhino
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Great thing here , We dont have a magazine restriction... If we want to use a 30 round mag in our AR or AK platform to hunt with we can... only reason I would use a smaller capacity mag is the issue with a large capacity getting in the way !!!
Son in Law got this info from the WL&F agent ... saved to his phone !!! only mag restrictions we have here are for water fowl and its 3 rounds !!! |
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"White Rhino"
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A square 10
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i would ditto shamus first post but i see you have what you need , congrats - kill that deer
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hoadie
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Rhino...dude...if you need 30 rounds to hunt deer - your not much of a hunter!
Even in my 10 rnd Enfield, I only carry 5.(couple xtra in my bag) Course, weight is a factor as well. Carry that all day, ANYTHING to lighten the load... |
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White Rhino
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Did not say I needed 30 rounds to kill a deer , just telling Y'all that if ... IF I wanted to use a 30 rounder it was legal here ... and I did say that a 30 rounder does get in the way... so We use a 20 rounder instead ... or if I can find the 10 rounder we would use it ..... As for hunting... I have used my first Enfield with out a magsince I didnt have a mag for it !! And I got a deer with it ... |
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"White Rhino"
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hoadie
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HAH! That's my boy!! Got deer with an Enfield WITHOUT a mag for 2nd shot!! Now...lets see if you can "ambush" one..drop out of a tree with a knife!!
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White Rhino
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Oh he!! Hoadie !!! What ya think I am ????? Friggen 18 years old ?????? I have not been able to think of doing some thing like that in over 20 years at least !!!! Im lucky if I can make a walk into the swamp with all the life awards I have !!! |
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"White Rhino"
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Shamu
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The ProMags are just "not right" internally, its more than an adjustment that's needed. I've also heard (but can't confirm) that the metal isn't springy, but soft & bendy so adjustments don't last.
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White Rhino
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I have had Pro mags fail on me in several different calibers !!! I had some for the 522 H&K 22 cal clone...they worked for about 6 or 7 loading's then the spring collapsed and the rifle started jamming !!
Same thing with other Pro Mags that customers brought to the range ...50 AE , 9mm Browning ..... all failed to function , and from what I can determine ...its the spring that fails after some time !!! Possibly , if you know of a place that makes springs you could get them to build some new springs after discussing with them whats going on.... when I worked at Exxon I had to get a spring built for a trip on a Turbine due to not being able to get it from the manufacture any more !!! I wish I could remember the name of the business , But they had me come to their shop and discuss what was going on , then they built a few springs and I tried them out until I found the one with the correct tension !! One day when I think about it I will take some of my pro mag springs and go back to Baton Rouge and see if they will make some for me .... |
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"White Rhino"
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W.R.Buchanan
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I emailed the guy in South Africa recently who was making the 5 and 10 round Enfield Mags in both #1 and #4 configurations. He has 10 rounders, but said that the springs for the 5 round versions didn't come out right and he was on hold.
I'm still waiting for him to get back to me as I want two 5 round mags. My #4Mk1* LB which was a PH Sporter when I got it, came with a Santa Fe 5 rounder and it feeds flawlessly. As far as Pro Mags are concerned,,, broadly speaking they are junk. I have had several and none of them have ever worked in any gun I used them in. Particularly bad in Mini 14's! I avoid them like the plague ! I would however snatch up any Santa Fe mag I saw, instantly! Randy |
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NH2112
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Well, I ended up buying both of them. I'll use the 5-rounder for my shooting & hunting, and just hang on to the 10-rounder in case I ever get a rifle in full military dress. It's an unissued, unused Savage according to the description, so I think I'll keep it that way until I need it.
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Phil
Rock River Arms AR15, .223 Wylde S&W Model 10-1, .38 Spl Mossberg 500, 12ga Santa Fe No. 4 Mk 1, .303 Brit |
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