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    Posted: September 30 2008 at 12:20am
Gentlemen ! I have noticed that people are almost scared of ,posting ideas involving anything but the Lee Enfield in it's standard form! I'm here to challenge that idea !

    Now whilst it's good to have rifles in their original state Personally all my enfields are sporterized & always have been as they are working rifles! I have stressed in the past that nobody blinks a eyelid at the thought of a Mauser or Styer or even a Manlicher being sporterized or converted to another caliber ! How many Springfield's have under gone this transformation ?
     Look at the beautiful work done by Parker Hale ,yrs ago reburnishing .303's? What about the Aussie Gunsmith's who after WW2 ,who had the brains & Guts to develop what went from being wild cats to commercial to admittedly Semi obsolete rounds like the 270-303 ,25-303,243-303 ?
       No I say Yes ! There is a place for collectors with Lee Enfields & I feel the is a need to preserve these rifles for Generations to come! But I also believe,there is a obligation to use these actions to make sturdy hunting rifles !!!!!!!!

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I agree Dave. Until I started doing alot of reading/research on Enfields the only rifles I've ever seen around have been sporterized. I could go out and purchase a new rifle if I wanted to but I'd rather keep Enfield legacy alive. I want to prove to the locals that my rifle may be getting old but theres lots of life left in her.
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I would never take an original rifle or one that had been FTR'd and sporterize.
Because there are so many that have already been sporterized, butcherd, modified etc... that I don't have to mess with an original.
And there are even receivers for sale to be found all over the place just waiting for a good home.
 
Now I have two sporterized rifles coming in, a No1 MkIII and a No4 Mk1, that because they are so close to being in original condition that I will be putting them back to original condition and that ought to be fun to do.
 
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This is what I'm getting at ! there are many bubba type enfields out there & these are ideal for shooter's to experiment with !

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I agree dave. The Lee Enfield makes a great sporter and there are so many already cut down, why not make what you want out of one of those.
After the war they were basically giving them away and the idea was always get one and cut the forend off, throw away all the bits you didnt need and you are away with a brand new sporter.
 
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Yep Lithy-U R right.After the festivities of 39 to 45 they we're giving them away.On Younge St.-downtown Toronto I remember barrels full of Enfields,sitting out front of stores(this wud be in the early to mid 60's)with signs attached:"YOUR CHOICE $15.00".(Here in St.Catharines they were slightly more...$18 - $20.But it wasnt Gun Shops selling them..it was every little mom & pop harware store!!(Course back then everyone usually went to the hardware store to fix,repair,buy,or get parts for their shootin irons.
Oh! for the good old days!
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I date back to the basic tool kit for a Enfield was a Hack saw blade & a triangular file!!!!! We'd buy em as full wood & then cut the wood back according to taste ! The bedding was achieved with a piece of car inner tube as I've described else where! a Dab of solder or Braze on the fore sight was filed down to get the rifle shooting roughly to original ! The top price paid for a Enfield was about $20.00 & a Parker hale rebuild was about $50.00 !!!!

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My dad used to buy a crate of 8 for 8 pounds and turn them into range rifles and sell them for 8 pounds each.
Or he would cut the wood off and sell them as a sporter for 2 pounds.
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My First Enfield which I still own ! (a 1902)  I paid the princely price of 15 shillings !!!!!! My Old man near killed me !

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I agree.
While it's a shame to sporterize an as-issued rifle, in good condition, I don't have any problem with improving a pre-bubbized one!
There are so many that have already been modified those make perfect candidates for an Enfield-based sporter.
 
As an example, one of the guys I was in the Ozarks with did a great job of cleaning up & re-finishing a rusty wreck he found in a pawn shop locally.
There was no original fininsh left & the whole thing looked like hell.
Now it's a good-looking rifle, even if the finish isn't original.
 
(Actually I'm mad at him as the rifle he got is a #4 Mk1, with a 5 or 6 groove barrel that shoots like a dream!) Mine is a #4 Mk1* with a 2-groove barrel.Censored
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i agree dave , and oldbikewrench summed up my thoughts as well , ive been thinking of picking up such remains and working up a hobby gun or two , for cheap , for fun , for plinking and perhaps for sale
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This is my opinion.
 I have no issues to repair or improve an existing sporterized or bubberized rifle. I do however under normal circumstances would not deface an original rifle.
 
 The few exceptions would be taking a non-shooting wall hanger Rife with minimal historical value and returning it to operational status
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Mine been sporterized but not much.
I am sure the barrel is still to its full lenght and did not being cut.

The only thing they did to my enfield (i think)is to set a sporterized stock.

I think there is not any rifle out there that have a better look thant that lol
a no4 mk1 with a sporter stock.

The thing that bother me the most is the unmatching parts number :( but i have to do with it, i have get it as is and it was proibably the only one i could get locally.

Also, if i had one in original condition, I would keep it 100% original even if i think they are ugly with the original stock lol.
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I just had to chime in on this one. 
 
Original Enfield #4MK1 ugly???????  They aren't ugly, they are classics....lol.
I bought my first 303 five years ago from a sale out of the Knoxville Armory.  A gunsmith friend of mine found it for me and ordered it.  I wanted the elevated rear sight on it, but they didn't offer any so I settled for the peep sight.  When I recieved it, I hadn't realized that this was a WW2 surplus that was stored since the end of the war.  It was still in the original shipping container until it was sold.  It has a proof date of 1944.  The stock had darked from the packing grease that was used to ship it to the United States, but was still in excellent condition.  The only thing I did to it was to build a side mount scope mount for it.  Now that I found this site, I'm sorry I didn't keep it original.  I paid $147 US including shipping for it.  If I ever get a chance to grab another one like that on a deal like that, I think I'd sell on of my kidneys to pay for it if I had to.  It is the BEST gun I have ever owned.  BTW, mine is a Lee-Enfield #4Mk1.
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They're still being issued to troops @ this date.
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How about some pics of your best sporter or working Enfield ??

          

     ........work in progress......still      
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