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    Posted: November 21 2015 at 11:14am
I got this 1945 no.5 mark 1. From my dad. Im not sure if I should leave it as is or convert it back to original stock, forend, hand guard and flame eliminator muzzle. What should I do.
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Why don't you just shoot it and have some fun.
 
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i cannot tell enough about it from that one photo - it appears a great looking sporter yet i find it hard to understand soeones need to sport a no5 - its nearly the ultimayte sporter in original nick , throw up some more comprehensive photos please , 

and WELCOME 
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I will post better pics later tonite. It's fun to shoot.
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Do you - by chance - have the sticky-bit that goes with it?
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Here are more pics of my no.5 mk 1. That was sporterized sometime between 1945 and mid 50's. The serial numbers match on the reciever and the bolt. Since the muzzle was modified it doesn't have the bayonet mount.   

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I posted more pics.
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I like it! a Mannlicher carbine with P-H sight, sweet!
Don't mod it keep it just as it is.
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Shamu:  that is a Redfield sight and adapter.  It is what I patterned my Redfield Olympic mount off of.
 
It is definitely a shooter and pretty cool the way it is. I like the way this gun was done.
 
 
 
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Nice sight either way!
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W.R.Buchanan,

Thanks, can you tell me what model my redfield site is? Are the increments 0-600 yards?
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if i could acktually read the left side of the reciever markings i might be able to offer insight to its origins , as it is i will admire the rifle it has become and recoment it to remain as is - id be proud to own that sporter , 

im more a purist that hopes these are preserved as made and returned to original when feasible , i cannot comment to that on this one but i will say that one s terrific as presented , keep it as is and save another from the desecration , 
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Captain: I can't tell by the picture if your sight is a Series 70 or 80. If it has a plunger button on the rear face that releases the slide then it is a Series 80.  It also has the nice Target Knobs that are some of the coolest machined parts anyone ever made for a gun.  Getting that Curved Knurl right, is no small accomplishment. 
 
The sight is calibrated in Minutes of Angle, not yards.  There are 4 clicks between each MOA on the knobs, (IE: each click moves the point of impact 1/4" at 100 yards.) and there is 3MOA per revolution of the knob.
 
Every revolution of the knob moves the elevation slide up one hash mark on the slide or 3MOA.
 
The best way to use this sight,,, which is very precise and repeatable,, is to sight the gun in Dead On at 200 yards with some brand of factory 150 gr ammo like PPU.  This setting will achieve the "Maximum Point Blank Range" for that load. By holding dead on you will be inside the kill zone for any animal or enemy out to about 300 yards without changing the sight.
 
Then you will zero out both the knob, by loosening the set screw and turning it to zero, and the pointer on the scale, by loosening the screws that hold it tight. If the sight has a set screw stop on the elevation slide then it gets ran against the sight base and this is the lowest your sight will go to, so you can quickly return to zero.
 
This will become your "Mechanical Zero." Or the zero that you return the rear sight to everytime you stop shooting.
 
Since this will be the fastest and flattest shooting load you will ever use in the gun, any slower load will require an increase in elevation. Also if you decide to shoot at targets at longer distances you will be able to turn the sight up to re-zero the gun at that distance.  If you shoot the gun at 300,400 and 500 yards and note(write down) the elevation offsets which produce hits, you can dial the sight up to any new distance in a matter of seconds, and then make the shot.
 
For an example:  My #4 Mk1 shoots PPU 150 gr ammo dead on at 200 yards.(Mechanical Zero) Velocity is @ 2600 FPS   +3.5 MOA makes it dead on at 300 yards, +7.0 MOA is 400, and +12.5MOA is 500.
 
Then I go back to Mechanical Zero when done and start over next month. The sight will repeat it's offsets perfectly each time ,,, Believe me!  I shoot Long Range Silhouette with my gun once a month using the same sight settings each month.
 
Your gun will be slightly different than mine due to the shorter barrel however it will be similar.
 
After this is done you have a constant zero that you can go to with an available ammo. If you decide to shoot a Heavier Bullet or a Cast Boolit Load in your gun, it will be slower and will require a + elevation change which is fine.  You will note those numbers also as they will repeat with that load also.
 
An example of that is:  My goto Cast Boolit Load for my gun is a Lyman 314299 205gr boolit over 16 gr of 2400 powder.   This yields @1600 fps.
 
For shooting at Short Range Silhouette Targets which are placed at 50,100,150,200 Meters.  The Elevation Offsets for these distances from that Mechanical Zero are, +12MOA for 50M, +15 for 100M, +18 for 150M and +21 for 200M. You can see that this much slower load produces a trajectory which is much taller than the Factory 150 gr Jacketed Bullet Load.
 
This is all fine a good and I encourage anyone who reads this to learn how to use these sights. It is very rewarding and will make you a better Rifleman !
 
If you are only going to use the gun for hunting then simply sight it in at 200 yards with your favorite Hunting Load and be done with it.  You will be about 1-3" High at 100 yards, dead on at 200 and @12" low at 300 which will cover any shot you would ever take at a Game Animal with that gun.
 
For hunting, I strongly recommend painting the rear of your Front Sight Blade White as it stands out best against the most backgrounds you'll be hunting in.
 
Hope some of this helps.
 
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Thanks for sharing that information, Randy! This should become a 'sticky note' for the site IMHO. That is a really good looking rifle too!
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Just curious, Randy. How do you use the "yards" setting on the right of the sight?
I unnerstann' the MOA, but should you make yds hashmarks or something?
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Randy,

Thank you for the great information about the redfield sight. Based on your decription I believe mine is a no.70 sight. As far as the markings on the left side of the receiver: no.5 mk 1.,
M 47 C, 1945, The serial #BG 6@@1, England is stamped in there to.

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