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 Posted: February 07 2008 at 3:53pm |
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Hoadie,
go to your local automotive tyre retailer..i go to the bloke down the road here, he keeps a small bucket of the wheel weights for me. i melt them down to make sinkers for fishin.
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hoadie
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:03am |
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Cant use 'em Al.They're not lead.They;re mostly alloys etc.It'd ruin my poor old barrel.
Thanx anyways, mate Hoadie |
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 7:39am |
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damn, didnt realise mate
i thought they were pure lead, they melt over a woodfire flame easy enough.
spose sinkers and your musket balls are 2 different things eh.
hey the one you cast for me sure raised some eyebrows when i showed my mates
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White Rhino
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 7:58am |
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Hoadie, You use pure lead for Musket balls and an Alloy for modern weapons right????
Because I'm like allen My Buddies Son worked at an Auto garage before I got him on with Exterran the company I work for. he brought me a 5 gallon bucket of them tire weights and I melted them down into ingots and stored them till I get set up to cast my own projectiles I read some where that the lead has to be of a certain hardness for modern powders and when you go to a hot load you need gas checks on the bottoms of the projectiles
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 8:15am |
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I use hollow base Minie bullets in my Colt musket. They have to be soft lead to expand into the rifling when the powder explodes. BTW, I've surprised a lot of people with the accuracy of the rifle.
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:17pm |
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Hoadie, I use 20-1 in the 45-70 with BP, no problems. Have you tried plumbers or roofers? Some of the old roof flashing was pure lead, as is plumbers lead. Sometimes the metal recyclers get the lead ling from cable like you use.
White Rhino, the wheel weights work well in rifles, you can drop the hot bullet from the mold into iced water and further harden them. Just make sure none of the wheel weights have zinc, this will usuall float on top of the molten metal and can be skimmed off. Ed |
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 2:34pm |
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Well-my MAIN problem with acquiring pure lead..is its deemed a HAZORDOUS SUBSTANCE here.
Now I have an old mate workin @ a local scrap yard.he aint bin able to corner me any(course he might not be tryin-either!might have sumthin to do bout me & his older sister one time) Anyway-the minnie ball(as Allan can attest) has a hollow base & expands to fill the grooves of the rifling.If I use wheel wieghts-it scores the barrel out badly & you WONT get the accuracy either(not that I'm a great shot w/my Civil War musket.) As for plumbers lead solder-its illegal here in Canada. Cant get it. This is becoming a problem.& DAMMIT!! I make DAMN good minnie-balls, too!! 
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You hit the Nail right on the head! WR . Black powder Firearms require a pure lead projectile . Whereas Moden firearms require a harder mixture of Lead ,Tin & Antimony ! The rule of thumb is up to about 1400 FPS wheel weights work well .But ! if you wish to run at 2000fps + a gas Check is the way to go ! I have a stock of Printers lead (fast dwindleing ) that I blend with wheel weights,or salvaged projectiles ,that i recover from the local range . Another trick is to blend in 2lbs of 50/50 solder to 10lbs of wheel weights ! This gives a fairly hard bullet ! I cast for near every rifle I own ! Dave |
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Posted: February 09 2008 at 5:29pm |
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My crystal ball shows Hoadie dressed in black on church roof at midnight peeling the lead off the flashings.
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Posted: February 09 2008 at 10:58pm |
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Hey Tony, Dont encourage him now.
But you do have a great Idea. another place you can find lead is Natural gas pipeline insulation, right were it comes out the ground to go through the Compressor house and through the pipe line station yard. they usualy unless they heave changed . but I worked at Tennessee Gas Pipe line In LeeVille La. back in "92" and they were replacing all the insulation in the yard while I was overhauling the Gas Turbine. My Bud was the maintenance guy there and would bring me sheets of it when the other guy was not getting it for his brother that was making his own muzzle loader projectiles.
The stuff comes off the aluminume sheeting in about 5/16" thick sheets.
and is pure just like the plumbers lead. now its just a matter to find a pipeline station going through a Turn around and overhauling every thing in the plant. and replacing the insulation... Good luck Hoadie. In your case like you said earlier about how Canada feels about Lead you would have to get you a couple of mexicans to run it accrosse the boarder for ya... I screewed up and mixed all mine in with the tire weights before i knew better. I knew it was pure lead but didnt know that you had to have pure lead for Muzzle loaders at that time. Hoadie just taught me that !!!
unfourtunatly after I had allready melted it all down and cast it into ingots for storage.
Hey can ya heat the Ingots to a certain temp and separat the pure lead???from all the Antimony and tin? I know that other impurities come out in the heating/melting process and I skim it off with a donner fork. the stuff that floats... pretty neat when you see the steel clips float to the top after it all the lead melts....
We also have a roll of 1/4" round lead wire at work that we use to check the space between the compressore head and the Piston once the piston and rod are put together.. I usually bring the peices that are used home with me. that amount per job would only be enough to cast maybe one projectil at a time.
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Posted: February 10 2008 at 10:43pm |
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On a serious note how about looking round demolition sights? It's usual for old buildings to have lead flashings round chimneys gutterings and fall pipes etc. Bet they'd help you out !
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 5:04am |
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I've heard the shielding for x-ray rooms is pure lead. Easy on the barrel, glows at night!
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 7:18am |
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Dammit Tony!!  Do ya hafta tell EVERY DAMN THING ya know!!??  Geeze!!
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 8:26am |
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White Rhino, if the "mix" you did is mostly soft lead, it might still be soft enough for your musket. Adding some tin helps the lead fill out the mould better. Cast a few and see how they shoot.
Civil War minie bullets were greased with a mixture of beeswax and tallow.
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 8:27am |
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Hey Ed, you could send the kids out at night and pick up the spent projectiles that are glowing in the dark... they would love it- it would be like a night time easter projectile hunt...
May have to try that Smokey.
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 5:01pm |
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Dave told me!!!
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