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 Topic: 303 loadsPosted: January 29 2006 at 3:39am |
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44 grains of H414 - 180 grain Sierra 40 grains of IMR 4895 - 215 grain Norma 45 grains BLC-2 - 150 grain Speer 46 grains H335- 150 grain Speer 42.5 grains of IMR 4895 - 180 grain KKSP 37.5 grains of IMR 4895 - 174 grain RN Hornady 45.5 grains of IMR 4320 - 174 grain RN Hornady 44.5 grains of IMR 4895 - 150 grain Speer These loads were shot out of my No5Mk1 and a No4MK2 , as with any new loads you should start lower and work up to find what your rifle likes. Happy shooting , John |
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 1:59am |
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I think I'm gonna try a few of those loads. Eric |
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 7:49am |
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I had another chance to go to the range today with the No4Mk1 BSA. I tried some 150 grain Hornady over 45 grains of IMR 4895, I hit a metal gong 5 out 6 shots at about 80 yards shooting free hand and shooting as fast as I could. The .312 diameter bullets seem to be more accurate in my rifle although the .311. diameter bullets are good enough to hunt with for sure. The accuracy with the 150's seems to be better than 180's so thats what I'm going to shoot mostly. Edited by 303carbine - January 30 2006 at 7:52am |
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 2:47am |
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This seems to be the place to ask. Has anyone tried loading smaller grain bullets in .303? More specificaly the 124 grain FMJ or the 80 & 100 grain hollow points offered by Hornday
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 7:06pm |
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[QUOTE=shotgunminister]This seems to be the place to ask. Has
anyone tried loading smaller grain bullets in .303? More
specificaly the 124 grain FMJ or the 80 & 100 grain hollow
points offered by Hornday[/QUOTe
I normaly use the lighter 124 gn pills in the .310 cadet,with great success but have only ever tried them in the .303 as plinking rounds ! They semed to work ok but I don't like going any lower than a 150gn as a rule ! I've just picked up a 174 gn mould so I'm looking forward to doing some cast bullet work . I have had fantastic results over the years using a 215gn rn cast ! Dave |
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 6:28am |
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I agree with you Dave, I never use any bullets lighter than the 150 grain. but if you try it out please post your results. I agree with the cast bullets and I like to shoot them as cast instead of swaging them down. The 2 thou. bigger size usually has better accuracy too.I have some factory 215 grain CIL bullets that shoot very well but I only have about 15 rounds left, luckily I found 150 of the 216 grain Norma at the last gunshow here.
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Posted: February 09 2006 at 1:51pm |
As a matter of intrest have you tried the LEE liquid lube on your .303 pills yet & if so how did it go? Dave |
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 4:52am |
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I hear some guys use the waste weights off car wheel rims used for balancing the wheels and cast the bullets from that! Do you find the lands get fouled up quickly using cast bullets as against the gilded commercial rounds?
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 7:35am |
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Tony, Wheel weights is an alloy of several metals lead, zinc, tin and mild steel, I would not use wheel weights under no circumstances for bullet casting. I do use wheel weights for making fishing weights thou. Cookie Monster |
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 8:00am |
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To be honest cookie I wouldn't try casting any bullets myself. Law of sod says if its gonna go wrong it'll be me it goes wrong on. I'm intrigued though why the barrel doesn't "lead up" on you using non gilded ammo. Surely the friction generated by the bullet skimming down the rifling softens the lead and causes it to leave a greasy soft deposit which must affect accuracy as it blocks the gaps between the lands. Basically becoming a smooth bore after several shots. Do you use pure lead or is there an additive you use to harden the lead? It may sound a stupid theory to you lads who cast your own but never having tried it I'm curious to learn the tricks.
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 10:23am |
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Tony, Lead was all they shot "back in the day". It requires a little
metallurgy knowledge, some good lube and lots of magic. Usually lead is
not a problem with a good lube and keeping the speed below 1400 fps. If
you want faster, you use a harder alloy and a gas check and can run em
up above 2000 fps. Now about the magic: in my 45-70, a hard cast bullet
will cause some minor leading at 1300 fps,
because there isn't enough pressure to obdurate the bullet to fit the bore. At that speed, I use a 30-1 lead tin mix for a very soft bullet and get zero leading. Above 1350 or so, the soft lead will leave marks, I go to Oregon Trails Lazer cast hard cast bullets and can shoot to 1650fps or so with no leading. Above that I would want a gas check, but since I'm not hunting, I don't need to go any faster. ( Plus, with the 45-70, real fast hurts the shoulder). I have had good luck with the Lee liquid Alox on 8mm cast bullets, haven't tried them in the Lee yet. Ed |
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 12:49pm |
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The mixture of a lead bullet is Lead ,Tin & antimony.
Which can be blended to become quite hard Lino type (printers
lead being one of Hardest ) Over here Wheel weights are the ideal
base for a blend ,with a couple of sticks of 50-50 soldier thrown in
for good measure ! I get most of my lead from the local range &
remelt & Flux it ! Bullets can be hardened by quenching them
straight from the mould into water ! There are also a small copper cup
that can be fitted to the base of the bullet called a Gas check which
helps to stop leading !
Lube is the most important thing & keeping your verlosities down around the 1400 FPS mark! I use Cast bullets in nearly all of my larger rifles & in my hanguns I've had great results over the years with 215 gn & more recently a 185gn cast out of my .303 & as Ed so nicely points out with the 45-70 you can load some very sittable loads So your not smashing your shoulder or with Gas checks you can load cast up to smash camel Dave |
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 4:41am |
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You guys oughtta try black powder! I melt & cast my own minnie balls. .577. It has to be PURE lead. All I use for lube is a very light coating of CRISCO lard. When you shoot the 3 band Enfield - the front sight is shortened to accomodate the bayo.The result is you aim "by guess & by golly". But once you get her personality down...LOOK OUT !
Gettin a little tough to get pure lead anymore, though. Hoadie |
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 9:56am |
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Hoadie, I shoot BP, but it's getting tough to find and expensive. About
$18 or $19 a can. They are making it so tough for dealers to stock, it
forces the price up. Last time a friend came through Montana he got me
two cans for $11 each. This is goex, I can order swiss, but have to buy
in 20lb lots.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:30am |
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Ed - too bad I can't get it for you.Although the price has been goin up last few years (specially since the 1 Goex plant ended up in geosynchronis orbit!) But I have ALWAYS purchased it for alot less than my American pards.As a civil war re-enactor I used to buy powder for the unit, & bring it across. One time I'd buy a case of cans.(24 lbs ?) next time I'd buy a bulk case - no cans.The guys would re-fill the cans, take 'em home & roll cartridges.
Last time I bought, it was $10.50 a can-Cdn.FFF.1 lb can. When I first started in this - it was $6.00 a can, Cdn ! Hoadie |
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:47am |
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Hoadie, one of my co-workers is a re-enactor, and I thought I had a
cheap source since they buy in bulk. I use FF and they only shoot wads
from the rifle and cannon and were purchasing ffff or something like
fireworks powder.
Wonder if they'd cause a fuss if tried to bring some across the border next time I visit? Or maybe if I just load up 6 cases of beer, they'll be so happy it's not explosives they'll just le me through?? Ed |
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