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Ed Hill
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 12:25pm |
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Oh, one more reminder because I tend to be cautious
Sooner or later, most reloaders get a squib, no or very little powder. Took me 12 years but I did it. If you don't get a nice loud bang pull the bolt and make sure you don't have a bullet stuck in the bore before you chamber another round. This happens with factory ammo too, in 45 years of shooting I've had two 45 acp factory rounds go click.Ed
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Shamu
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 11:41pm |
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"set the bullet in the die and started tapping down and I was measuring and I went just below the suggested length, Does this affect it at all?" With the Lee Classic you shouldn't be able to seat the bullet too deep! Thats what the screw adjustment is for, to raise up the upper part so that the seater stem contacts the die & prevents further movment.As long as the total OAL of the loaded round is less than 3.075" you should be fine. "I took one of my cases and took the powder and measured the charge on my scale and it came out to 38 grains. The powder I am using is 4895 IMR." Charge weight maximum for IMR 4895 with a 150 grain Hornady bullet is 38.9 Gr. How exactly did you work out your charge again, I didn't quite get the explaination?
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Shamu
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 11:53pm |
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Based on what you said about the chambering of the different rounds I resized for you you're looking at full length resizng IMO, we'll know for sure after you fire them & try a second resize in your Lee. Thje slight bit of "extra" showing below the cannelure is probably no biggie, most on mine look like that when I set up for minumum jump to the bore.
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EnfieldNut82
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Posted: February 21 2013 at 11:45pm |
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Hi
Shamu, I took the power dipper and measured out a cup of it and dumped it on my digital scale and it came out to 38 grains. I think your right about needing a full lenght resizing die. I might go take out my rounds today theres supposedly a huge snowstorm coming so I will have to see where it is. Otherwise me and a friend are going next week for sure. Just another question I noticed on the lee charts it says 4895 imr the minimum for a 150 grain bullet is 38.9 and the maximum is 44 grains. I am at 38 so should I be safe? I am not trying to argue either just personal observations Thanks again Scott |
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Shamu
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Posted: February 22 2013 at 12:29am |
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I think I just found the source of the confusion.
There are 2 "4895" powders, which despite the number being the same are different powders. I was looking up the H 4895, not the IMR 4895. Sorry about that, you should be fine.
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Posted: February 22 2013 at 2:15am |
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The powder manufacturers aren't helping anyone when they have multiple powders with the same name.
Hodgdon who now owns IMR has H4895 and IMR4895 and as Shamu noted,they are not the same. Scott, Hodgdon shows a max load at 42.2 grains so you should be fine. I like to load Clays in 45acp, and they make Clays, Universal Clays, and International Clays, again, all different. Check and measure a couple of times! Ed
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Posted: February 22 2013 at 3:39am |
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i prefer the 'clays' as well and got a little bad info from someone who had universal clays , lukily i caught it
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Posted: February 22 2013 at 9:31am |
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It's pretty easy, "I like clays and load 3.8grns" "my best load is 5.4". Different Clays!!
If I see any favorite loads on the internet I always look them up in a reloading manual or the manufacturers web site so I know what the actual range is. Ed |
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Posted: March 08 2013 at 10:04am |
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Well I fired a few of my reloads and everything is still intact. I am so glad they worked out.
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Posted: March 08 2013 at 12:00pm |
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Feels good after the initial flinch wears off, doesn't it?? It's easier (and faster) once you get a routine set up. Once you find a load you like, you just verify it, check the powder weight and off you go.
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 1:59am |
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Remember that fast burning shotgun powder does a little trick in the case neck area. I found this out with a rifle with a rust damage patch in the neck area. Normal full loads were fine but light shotgun powder loads expanded the neck into that rust damaged patch and locked it there! The load was subsonic with light boolits and hardly showed any pressure on the primer. Then there is the risk of a double charge. I do not recommend fast powders in a 303 case.
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 3:44am |
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" I do not recommend fast powders in a 303 case. "
Read & heed folks this is some serious advice.
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 5:05am |
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Who the he!! suggested using SHOTGUN POWDERS ????? This site has a lot of people who are new to reloading! WE don't want them to try any cowboy tricks reloading. This is a safe site with a good safety record and it will NOT lose its reputation for safety. You want to use fast burning powders then do it but DO NOT post comments about it on here!!!
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 7:01am |
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"Well I fired a few of my reloads and everything is still intact. I am so glad they worked out."
As long as you stick to proven working techniques you'll be fine. Just avoid the temptation to "experiment" beyond the bounds of responsibility! I've noticed a disturbing number of "Ka-Booms" (guns blowing up & injuring owners) recently as "internet reloading experts" have touted their wares recently. It used to be once or twice a year, a rare occurance, usually someone more excitable than practical did something incredibly stupid & blew up a gun. Recently it seems to be a epidemic of weekly idiocy causing damage to firearms & owners. I've seen at least a dozen of them where you see the train wreck coming, but can't stop it. Good reloaders are cautious to the point of conservative, imitate them & you'll become an excellent reloader. Just listen to that little voice saying: "Are you SURE this is a good idea Mr. lefty One Eye!" & you'll be fine. Print this out & tape it over your bench so that one day you get all clever on yourself you'll see it before the train hits the gas tanker at the crossroads. "There are old reloaders, there are bold reloaders. There are no old, bold reloaders!"
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 4:00pm |
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My son and I were on a range quietly minding our own business when an a$***e turned up using an enfield which had been converted to 308. Fine the conversion was factory done and it looked half decent until he started shooting then alarm bells started ringing. I had a gut feeling the ammo wasn't right and told my lad to shift out the way. 3 rounds later the reciever blew the bolt shattered the guys jaw and bits of shrapnel were whizzing around the firing line. Turned out the bumbrain had stoked the ammo up. He had to have reconstructive surgery on his face it ruined our day because the police interviewed all of us that were present and all shooting was stopped. Alex was around 17 at the time, if he'd been injured the guy would have needed more than surgery believe me! It hasn't put me off reloading but I'm obcessive about powder weights and won't stand for anybody who decides to "experiment" with loads shooting whilst I'm RO. The experienced lads on here will guide and help anybody anytime and Shamu my friend and other mod on here are more than willing to help with any questions. But cowboy antics won't be tolerated, I'm quite prepared to ban anyone who ecourages such antics, this forum has an excellent safety record and so have the members and we will keep it that way!!!!!
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 4:17am |
That was my experience as well when I first reloaded and shot the fruit of my labor. I was told, and will tell everyone I know who starts reloading, to follow well-established recipes and keep it to the minimum at first. I know I have lots to learn, but it is fun to give new life to spent cartridges. Glad I saved all that brass long before I started reloading! |
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