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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Yes its a shame when the rest is so nice. Were the trials rifle a Ni1 butt stock, a No4 butt stock or something else?


The early production of No4 rifles used a No1 Butt.

Later the butt socket internal shape was changed from the No1 to what we now know as the No4 Butt.
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the mkV was a trials rifle based on the no1 , the no4 were a different breed even tho they were a development of that rifle , transition happened slowly but once it was decided the no4 was to be a new development it manifested itself as a new item , the early no4s - even if they employed a no1 butstock in its infinitesimal state had no similarities for those of us that study these rifles , 

ill not argue anything about that transformation - i was not there - but we all know the no1 and no4 rifles are different even tho they may seem similar , i never owned an original no4 of the first generation [always wanted one] but even tho they are different in some ways they lost most everything of the no1 in the transition , they were a NEW rifle generation in the enfield line , the no1 died at the mkV , and yes i did own one of those in near original condition - considering that these got slapped together when issued mine was as originally designed , 

as to the bayonets of that post - they were the P07 , long after the hookie but still the P07 when designed , there were few being made in those years so they would have been WWI vintage by design , the indians manifestations were oriented around their use of the rifles and we all know they adapted to the 762 cartridge at that same time - long after the trials and long after the mkV was even considered a new development , by then the no4 was the NEW rifle 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 3:02pm
Pretty much what I assumed, but I figured the butt may have been a mod in some way as so much more was "No4 stuff on a No1 rifle in a way.
I'd hate to advise him to get a wrong stock.
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Thanks guys. So if I want to replace the butt on my Mk V I'd have to find a No 1 correct? I'm hesitant to do that as I would assume it would be difficult to match the wood coloring and the natural weathering throughout the rest of the rifle.
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Yes it would be for a No1. Now you have to decide the length! Really!
They came in (Rare) bantam super short, Short, Normal, & long.
Marked "B", "S", (unmarked), & "L". Each was one inch longer than the one below it.
You can tell what yous is by looking at the heel (top) rear of your existing one & finding the letter. nothing is normal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by Bezerker Bezerker wrote:

Thanks guys. So if I want to replace the butt on my Mk V I'd have to find a No 1 correct? I'm hesitant to do that as I would assume it would be difficult to match the wood coloring and the natural weathering throughout the rest of the rifle.
This is just my opinion and an observation at the same time.
Leave the buttstock alone. Remove that marking disc and fill in the offending hole with a dark epoxy resin. You will still have an all original rifle and a story to tell about the buttstock in the coming years...
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If the rifle was mine, Id respect the fact that it originally had a butt-disc and replace the disc. Should none be available, they are easily made. Otherwise, just turn over the existing one, polish if necessary and countersink its screw hole from the other side. Concerning the surrounding damage, I'd fill it in with a heavy mixture of epoxy and walnut sawdust and smooth over when set. Will be a bit darker than the butt itself, but less obvious than than by filling in the whole area.  
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im wqith terry on that one , altho mine was replaced by a vintage coin somewhere in its life , the disc was part of these rifles even if they were not marked at issue due to changes in practice , having it there makes it a bit more authentic to its origin , you can find a replacement out there , 


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Shamu I wish i was back in the USA i have a bantam buttstock on one of the old lithgows as well as s and l buttstocks there is about an inch is size between each .
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Agreed, I think that is what I will do. Thank you all for your help. I think this thread has run it's course for me. I will post other questions I might have based on the appropriate topic. Thanks again!
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