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    Posted: December 24 2023 at 2:06pm
Of late I have been experimenting with several cast bullets for my No4 Mk1 & N5. My goal is/was reasonably accurate shots with light charges of pistol powders at short range (as my backyard range to backstop is 55 yds. A buddy had previously cast up a large amount of RCBS 115 gr FN for our .32-20s so I started there. I cast up 3 different projectiles from Accurate Molds (134, 155 & 180 grains). The 2 that worked best in both rifles for me were the Accurate Molds 31-134D and the 31-180MB. Both were bored for .314 diameter and are flat base. After trying Red Dot and Bullseye, it seems best result came from Unique. I like 8 grs. with the 134 and 10 with the 180 with rear sights elevated to 300. Neither will win Camp Perry at 3 inch +/- clusters seems to be the norm.....minute of squirrel or racoon? Good enough for 70 year old eyes with uncorrected vision. Oddly enough, after ordering and using the 180 almost two years now, the website still reflects "none sold". Anyway, good clean fun at a low price. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote paddyofurniture Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2023 at 2:21pm
Do you use gas checks on the cast bullets?
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No, just plain base at quite low velocities. Leading hasn't been an issue. And to help with clean up, I fire 2 or 3 jacketed bullets at the end of any session going more than 20 rounds.
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Sounds like you’re making progress. You might want to invest in your own lead furnace and bullet mold. Casting your own bullets is very satisfying and gives a sense of independence from future bullet shortages. 
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Actually, I cast every winter here. Way too toasty the remaining 8 months or so. I had cast all of the Accurate Molds bullets used. Really good quality molds! Tom, the proprietor will tweak diameters for you to satisfaction. I had thought of purchasing the GC variants of these, but my thriftiness (read: cheapness) kicked in. I did have to play a miniscule amount with the magazine lips on the Maltby for reliability. Easy fix, accomplished in ten seconds on-site with my Leatherman. 
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Any other .303 cast bullets shooters here? If so, please tell me about your journey.
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Yes,
I cast lead 303 bullets using a Lee 312 mold.
It makes a 185- 190 gr bullet with the scrap lead and wheel weight metals I have on hand.
I use them in some Martini rifles I built up using take off barrels from other SMLE CLLE and a No 4 rifle barrel I just fit up.
I gas check and lube the bullets and have loaded with 10-12 grains of Red Dot powder.
I have also shot them to some extent in an original MLM carbine with a relatively good degree of accuracy and my modified carbine with the CLLE barrel.
I cannot tell any major deficiencies outside of the error of me using the Martini sights on those little carbines.
I also have to do more work on the rifles to be able to determine what else can be done better with the ammo development becuase the guns are still a work in progress.
I added pictures for someone to get an idea.
I suspect the Lithgow barrel I installed on the full length rifle will do quite well, But I need to grind the pilot on my chamber finisher so I can use it on that barrel last, and tidy up its final appearance.
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I cast bullets for the .577 Snider, .577/450 Martini Henry and .45-70 for the Trapdoor Springfield. All Blackpowder loads. I have several bullet molds for each, all run in the 480 to 512 grain range. 

Once I figured out that bullet diameters need to be a bit larger than groove diameter, I started to get good accuracy. The Martini bullets need to be seated out as close to the rifling as you can get.  


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Brit  & Doco, I agree that bullet diameter appears to be a limiting factor when shooting cast bullets. I had acceptable accuracy my old Lee .312/180 for years. Eventually it started growing fins and was given to a friend who thrives on "projects". During the Pandemic I ran out of gas checks and it seems none were found anywhere. I tumble lube my Accurate Molds plain base projectiles with Alox (from what I read it is identical to Zeibart undercoating). I do think that shooting them as cast & unsized @ .314 works best for me, anyway. Iff'n my Chrony were still a thing (granddaughter armed with her no-choke .410 put it to sleep for good), I'd test out the speed. Am guessing with the 180s and 10 grs of Unique I am at no more than 1150fps.
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I've only ever cast bullets for handguns so I won't be much help here.  I wanted to replicate the old .44 Special factory load with the 246 gr. RN but commercial manufacture of that load had ceased many years before.  I also cast 115gr. RN for 9mm Luger and 158 gr. SWC for .38 Special.  I worked up a truly excellent bullet lube using Bees wax, petroleum jelly and Vicks Vapo-Rub though.  Hardly any leading at at, even with the hotter loads and my handguns never came down with a Cold!
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Sapper, coincidently enough I just deprimed, resized and cleaned just shy of 200 .44 Special cases this afternoon. This and .32 H&R mag are my favorite revolver cartridges. 

I wanted to be in a position to shoot my .303s with as little fuss as possible, and casting allows me to do this. Being north of 70 now, and like everyone else, I am saddled with all the usual aches and pains. The goal was to develop loads that can consistently hit the center black from the back porch to the backstop, about 55 yds away....w/o feeling it the next day.

I wanted something to put a stop to the thieving squirrels during mango fruit harvest time. The 31-134D/8 grs of Unique looks to be just the ticket. As said before, gaschecks aren't needed at this velocity. 

Running the brass bore brush thru with Ed's Red two or three times followed by perhaps 10 patches, and clean up is no big deal.
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I cast for my No4 and my 1891 Argentine and my M39 Finn Mosin with Lyman’s 314299 with gas checks. It has allowed me to enjoy these old milsurps for over 40 years.
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Originally posted by Uncle Grinch Uncle Grinch wrote:

I cast for my No4 and my 1891 Argentine and my M39 Finn Mosin with Lyman’s 314299 with gas checks. It has allowed me to enjoy these old milsurps for over 40 years.

Slightly off topic being about cases not bullets but I convert Berdan primed 7.65X53mm to Boxer for my M1891 Arg.  I picked up an old .50 BMG ammo box full of various vintage ammo for $15 at a Flea Market and was pleased to find, among the 8mm Lebel, .30-'06, .45 Auto, and half moon clips were 200 rounds of century old 7.65X53.  I pulled all the bullets and reprimed the cases, then reloaded the stock military bullets back in.   It was great fun resurrecting the cases.


 
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I gave a number of my 31-180MB cast bullets to a fellow shooter with one of those Argentine M98-based long rifles (M1909, I believe). He had formed a lifetime supply of 7.65x53 brass from 1970ish LC '06 brass (almost the universal donor). I suppose the combo worked well, as he asked for more bullets.
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