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    Posted: December 21 2010 at 8:40am
I Have 2 rifles, both I believe are Enfields. the first one, listed above No. 4 Mark I has a US PROPERTY stamp near the ejection port left side of the bolt. Also on the collar that wraps around the stock above the trigger guard is stamped 38C1494  5  1842.
 
On the other one, there are 2 stamps, both on the collar that wraps around the front of the stock above the trigger guard.  It is stamped ENGLAND 9177. It has a blunder bust barrell, and is quite similar to the Mark I.  Here are pics of them.  I would appreciate if anyone can help me out with the second one.
 
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On the bottome rilfe is there any stampings on the barrel? If so what are they?  the England  stamp is an import mark
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The top one is a No 4 Mk 1* made by Savage. On the wrist, what you listed as a "5" is actually the Savage squared "S". The bottom rifle is a No 5 Mk 1 Jungle Carbine. The step on the receiver wall under the rear sight on the left side gives it away. The end of the barrel sports a flash hider.

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Welcome to the forum. The top rifle is a No 4 MK1* rifle built by Savage. The 1842 is probably the manufacture date of 1942. Sometimes the stampings are not all that clear. The second rifle is a No5 MK1 configuration. Without the information found on the left receiver side, it's impossible to tell the maker. If there is a rollmark of ROF F and a date it would indicate a Fazakerly build. The left side wrist socket would have a 47C marking on it to indicate a BSA build. The green paint is interesting. Close in pictures of the receiver side would be helpful in identifying the particulars. Cheers.
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Nice looking wood on the Savage, by the way.
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There is a BNP on top of the bolt and on the barrell iT says .306? BNP 18.5  2.222, and some other letters I can not make out. ONS PER maybe? On the right side of the stock its painted BLR 8/55
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"BNP" ( possibly under a crown) is "Birmingham, (NOT British) Nitro Proof", a commercial resale proof which means the rifle was checked for sale outside of the military in the U.K. Usually the 18.5 will be followed by a square & a pair of " marks, meaning it was checked & verified at 18.5 tons to the square inch, a pressure rating used by the British in the same way the US used CUP for pressure ratings, but on a different scale. I'm guessing the "ONS PER" is part of this stamp, the "2.222" is a mystery to me.

Check the ".306" more carefully, perhaps with a rubbing or angled light to bring out faint detail. It could be either ".303", which would be the issue caliber of .303 British, or ".308", which would indicate re-barreling to .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO) . This would not tally with the proof pressure though.
"8/55" is probably a "rack code" telling the armory where the rifle should be re-stored after issue to the individual using it.

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The BNP is under a crown. And your right, .303 not .306. The top of the barrell is pretty worn.
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2.222 is 2.222" (inch) which is the cartridge length
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What is ther caliber on the No. 4 Mk1?
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The No4 Mk1 should be 303 British.  With the serial number it has it should also be marked No4 Mk1* the * denotes  it has a simplified bolt removal.
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BLR may be "beyond local repair" that means it cannot be repaired at unit level and needs to go to a base workshop to be repaired.
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

"BNP" ( possibly under a crown) is "British Nitro Proof",

Nope.  It's BIRMINGHAM Nitro Proof.  As opposed to the The Gunmakers Company (London).
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Originally posted by Lithgow Lithgow wrote:

BLR may be "beyond local repair" that means it cannot be repaired at unit level and needs to go to a base workshop to be repaired.

That is exactly what BLR on the stock means.  It should be removed after repair which may mean that the rifle was not fixed but, rather, "disposed of".  (At school, in the early 1960s, BLR was a death sentence for any of our no.4s so marked by REME.)

However the Birmingham proof suggests that it was repaired later,  outside of the military as any major fault would not pass proof.
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Would you think the weapon is safe to fire. I can not find any visible problems with the rifle, the action seems to work properly, the barrell apprears safe. was there a problem with the gun that i should look for?
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