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Sapper740
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Topic: 51st state?Posted: January 07 2025 at 3:33am |
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It's interesting how perspectives can change. I spent the first 2/3 of my life living, working, and serving in Canada. I always had a deep affinity for the United States and would have gladly seen Canada join the U.S., a feeling shared by many of my friends and family. I was born and raised in and around Vancouver, B.C. and believe it or not, back then B.C. was relatively conservative with the ruling party being the Social Credit Party run by W.A.C. Bennet, then later by his son Bill. I watched ruefully as B.C. politics began a slow slide to the Left where it is now firmly entrenched. I'm now living in the U.S. and became a citizen in 2010. I would vote against Canada joining the U.S. if given the opportunity because Canada is irrevocably a socialist nanny-state nation and we already have enough problems keeping our own Commie Democrats under control. I'm afraid too many Canadians would support the American democrat party and America and the world wouldn't survive the U.S. turning socialist. What are your thoughts?
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 4:33am |
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I was also born, raised, served in the Canadian Forces and worked in industry in Canada. I moved to the US when I was 36, became a Permanent Resident in 1997 and a US Citizen in 2013.
I have much the same point of view. I would guess that 70% or more of Canadian voters would vote for the left leaning democrats. It would be enough to tip the balance and the US would end up with a permanent far left government. I also still like the idea of Canada being a sovereign nation with it's own identity. Canadians like to identify themselves as "not Americans". I don't know what percentage of Canadian citizens would go for this anyway, I wouldn't think it is anything close to 50%. |
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 4:54am |
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Moot point..Canadians want too much (healthcare, pensions etc) from the gov't.
They would never get it from an American gov't - so there you are. Add to that the indigeonous people's demands for property, rights & restitution - & you would have a completely untennable situation. Now Quebec is raising the spectre of separation - again! Instaed of QUEBEC holding a referendum on separation...maybe the rest of Canada should hold one instead...Find out if WE want to keep them! My guess is overwhelmingly LEAVE!! For all their belly-aching, demands & bitchin they just aint worth it!
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 5:55am |
Hoadie, I said the vary same thing back in the 1970's. |
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 6:24am |
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They get more federal $$ than any other province. They force French language on the rest of Canada.(All food products have to be french labelled costing us MILLIONS!!
)They're constanly coming up with new demands for the rest of Canada to meet. Don't even get me started on they're Bloc Quebecois Party!! In ANY other country in the world, a polictical party who's agenda is to separate would be held for TREASON!!
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 9:10am |
Yup, and its been that way for at least 50 years. Probably longer, since the 1960's.
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 11:17am |
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Time will tell.
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 1:03pm |
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I went to "Monreal" monthly when we photographed the wrestling circuit up there. This back in the 80's. I really grew a strong dislike for the people there with some of their French-speaking shenanigans. I am almost bi-lingual in French (& Picard) so when they switch to the heavily accented (to me) French I start deliberately mangling French (or Picard), which annoys them even more. I absolutely refuse to use high number counts in French, because in Picard there are Cinquant, Soissont, Septante , Huitonte & Nononte! I agree we don't want the current Canada.
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 1:13pm |
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The Quebec referendum should be voted in by Canadians... Nobody outside Quebec cares a whit aboot them, but they get the most in government transfer payments.
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 2:27pm |
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Time to take out the trash.
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 6:14pm |
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Entrez, scène à gauche en hurlant! Voici "la Grande Terreur"! ![]() |
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Posted: January 07 2025 at 7:45pm |
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I dont think Canadian in general relish the idea of becoming the "51" state. Most everyone I`ve ever talked to view the USA as a meddling Country, the reason there`s un fettered terrorism and likely the cause of a pending world war. On the other hand some say if it wasn`t for them the world would be far worse off. As for me, this is were I was born, live and raised my kids. I served my country proudly and never considered jumping ship. This country is far worse than it was and i`m hoping it will improve for the sake of my kids and theirs. If I`ve offended anyone, it was not my intention.
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Posted: January 08 2025 at 3:54am |
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I think that’s a fair assessment of what the large majority of Canadians think, and probably most of the world too.
It’s impossible to know what the world would be like if the US had not risen to the super power it is. WWI and II would have been much longer conflicts, with uncertain outcomes. Had Russia developed the nuclear bomb first, who knows where we would all be. Would most of the west be under Communism by now? Maybe so. But, I don’t personally believe the US is the reason for the Russian/Ukraine war if that’s what you’re referring to. However, the weak US response to the Russian threat of invasion did not do anything to deter it. |
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Posted: January 08 2025 at 5:23am |
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Seems to me that in WWI the U.S. wasn't yet a "super power".(& they were a tad late to the party). By the time WWIIrolled around - twas a different story.U.S. industrial might paired with resources made for an emerging Super Power. The Germans & Japaneese were both working on Atomic bombs. The Russians achieved theirs through theft of secrets from the U.S.(As they & China seem to do frequently).
Theres no doubt the U.S. is now a "Super Power" but they have competition. As well, there seems to be no shortage of people with high security clearances selling info to the Russians & Chineese. They in turn give it to the N.Koreans & other terrorist bent groups. We are at the point whereby I'm not sure any country - superpower or not - is safe. The proliferance of WMD's around the globe in irrisponsible hands pretty much seals our collective fate.
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Posted: January 08 2025 at 7:14am |
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Hoadie, I wasn't saying the US was a super power in WWI, or WWII for that matter. But it emerged from WWII as a super power.
WWI that changed the isolationist policy of the US. And I think that was for the best in my opinion. The 2 million troops they sent over made a significant difference to the outcome of that war, it would have undoubtedly dragged on longer. WWII would have been entirely different; although possible the allies would have eventually prevailed. It was German scientists that developed the rocket technology and would have likely come up with the nuclear bomb to put in it if the war had gone on a few more years. If the US was not involved in that conflict, no telling what would have happened to those German scientists, probably all annexed by Russia. Lots of "what if" scenarios here, and no way of knowing what it would have been like without US involvement in those world conflicts. |
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Posted: January 08 2025 at 7:38am |
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The US can take Eastern Canada, Ontario, and stopping at Quebec. Let Quebec rejoin a France.
Western Canada can form it own country. |
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