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BillyHill 
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 Topic: 1895 Winchester?Posted: April 24 2012 at 11:47am |
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Does anyone have an 1895 Winchester in 303 British and if so how do you like it? How does it compare with the Enfield for feel, function, recoil, etc. I have a friend who has one that I might be interested in.
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White Rhino
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 12:22pm |
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What !!! Did not Know they had them !!! I will keep My eye open for one !!! I bet they kick the hell out ya !!
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 1:48pm |
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I just watched a TV hunting show and the fellow was showing this exact rifle and mentioned the .303 version. No other mention was made about that chambering. He mentioned it is also chambered in 30:06 and 30:40 Krag. It was the gun of choice for hunting in Africa at one time and Teddy Roosevelt extolled the virtues of the rifle as a lion killer.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 2:31pm |
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I ran across a period advertisement for these, and side note stated that the Winchester proof mark was accepted the Britain so these rifles did not require re proof if imported.
The proof law may have changed later on. The 1895 Winchester in military trim was available in .30-40 Krag, .303, 7.82X54R ,and later on in .30-06. The .30-06 95 had a rep for developing excessive headspace if M2 ball or sporting rounds loaded to 50,000 CUP or higher were used on a regular basis, but had no apparent problem with the WW1 era .30-06 ball or similar power commercial loads. I suspect it was not due to the 50,000 CUP working pressure but rather increased maximum deviation pressures. Some reproduction 1985 rifles in .30-06 have also shown a tendency to shoot loose with modern high pressure rounds, despite supposedly superior metalurgy. Since the .30-06 ball of that era generated 48,000 CUP the .303 version might hold up to Mk8z but I would not want to find out by shooting the old girl loose. MkVII and MkVIIz should work fine, and almost every commercial load should work fine. I suspect these .303 rifles were intended for MkVI and earlier loads, so if these or an equivalent were available those might be the best choice. Lever actions can sometimes be finicky in what they will feed reliably. A 200+ gr round nose would certainly handle any North American game. A loose lever action can usually be repaired, but finding a smith that knows how could be a problem, and replacement parts made for the repros may not fit.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 11:10pm |
I agree with Rhino I bet it would knock the fool out of you... I would like to see one as well
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 6:38am |
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Found a video of a guy firing his 95 in .303, but from the look of it he was firing cast bullet handloads, so the video would give no real clue as to how hard it would kick using full power .303 ammo.
The main reasons the Lee Enfields seem to kick as hard as they do is the "Musket Breech" style of the butt plate. The rounded buttplate doesn't distribute the recoil as well as the flatter buttplates such as that of the Garand. A Garand with a Musket butt plate would really mess up your shooting day, but the flat butt plate makes its perceived recoil rather mild, though the effect on the flesh is cumlative. I remember old ads for Winchester lever actions that gave the option of the standard rifle butt or a "shotgun" butt. The old style rifle butt plate had a half moon curve and was meant to rest on the upper arm at the shoulder joint rather than directly on the shoulder itself. The deeply curved butt won't rest on my shoulder at all, and it would probably cut the shoulder and chest if you did manage to hold it the way we normally hold a more modern rifle. That sort of hold was okay for the lighter cartridges of the 73 and earlier, but the heavy recoiling cartridges of some later models were best mated with a shotgun butt. this advert Shows the classic rifle butt style and the shotgun butt style The military butt plate was somewhere in between.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 7:30am |
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I only have an 1873 winchester in 38 wcf/ 38-40 havnt shot it yet, needs to be looked over by someone with more knowledge.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 9:36am |
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Well next time I get back home I'll take some ammo and try it. It shoots factory ammo OK. and his dad used to use it to hunt moose. I almost bought one in 30-40 Krag one time but I changed my mind.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 9:44am |
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You can't go wrong buying one of these in good shooting condition.
If unaltered collector value will continue to climb, and even if altered to some extent value should remain high. Depends on what you'll have to shell out for it of course. This is the rifle at the top of my bucket list.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 9:46am |
Also a great rifle, and in one of the less common chamberings. I've heard the .38-40 has greater inherent accuracy than the .44-40.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:12pm |
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Just talked to a local pawn shop owner he said he has a Winchester Model 94 that was rechambered from 30-30 to .303 Brit. He is going to let me text fire it.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:24pm |
Text fire ???? Let me know how that goes !!!!  |
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:37pm |
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You are one lucky man! I am sure you will update this thread when that test firing occurs.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:47pm |
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Hey there Cookie Monster. I would like to know how a 94 winchester is going to fire a cartridge that is almost a full 3" long. I don't think its possible. The longest COAL. that will cycle through my 30-30 is around 2.57" Either he is talking about a 303 Savage cartridge which was very similar to the 30-30, or it isn't a model 94 Winchester.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:58pm |
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Its only a TEXT fire so it should work !!!
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 1:12pm |
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The other thing I forgot to mention is the model 94 30-30 maximum pressure range is around 38,000 cup or 42,000 psi MAX! The maximum pressure of the .303 British is around 42-43,000 cup with some loads listed at 46,500 psi maximum pressure. If someone actually did convert a model 94 30-30 to .303 British caliber, firing the rifle could be very hazardous to your health. You could end up with the hammer sticking out of your forehead or even worse.
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