ENFIELD No 4 MARK I |
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Shamu
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I stand corrected & I'll edit the references. I've been torn between the 2 possible versions for a long while, some say Birmingham, some say British, with equal loudness. Every time I say Birmingham someone reams me out & swears British is right, every time I say British the opposite happens. If you do an internet search for either you get the same number of hits as well so that is no help either. Finally I just went to the source & Birmingham it is. http://gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html Meanwhile, back on topic....................... |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Tony
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Birmingham is and was the main prood house in the UK.
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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)
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DRC
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While everyone is on about BLR, BPH and the like, can someone tell me what 'FTR' stands for?
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We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go. Always a little further: it may be beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow. Across that angry or that glimmering sea
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A square 10
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FACTORY THOROUGH REPAIR , in other words re-arsenal-ed , brought back to original glory at current standards
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Lithgow
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The chances are the rifle is ok, but if there is any doubt, take it to a gunsmith.
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White Rhino
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I test fire many OLD Weapons ..By tyeing them into an old tire and putting a string on them and fireing them from a safe distance ..I look at the spent casing for signs of the primer being pushed out or cracks in the casing .... or if the whole receiver comes apart ..... ..I also gauge the head space too if I have the gauges on hand .... and then do the test fire ....
We used to use the local idiot ..But He went to prison ..so now we do it the safe way !!! LOL |
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"White Rhino"
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Tony
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Mother in laws and ex wives instead??!
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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)
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White Rhino
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Tony , I cant use My Mother in Law for test fires ..I actually get along with Her ....Hell She thinks Im the Man !!! I have put up with Her Daughter for 21+ years ..which puts me in the position of Saint in Mother in Laws Eyes !!!!
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"White Rhino"
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Cookie Monster
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That is correct BNP = Birmingham Nitro Proof after 1954 under a crown
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303carbine
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[QUOTE=UnknownSoldier]I Have 2 rifles, both I believe are Enfields. the first one, listed above No. 4 Mark I has a US PROPERTY stamp near the ejection port left side of the bolt. Also on the collar that wraps around the stock above the trigger guard is stamped 38C1494 5 1842.
On the other one, there are 2 stamps, both on the collar that wraps around the front of the stock above the trigger guard. It is stamped ENGLAND 9177. It has a blunder bust barrell, and is quite similar to the Mark I. Here are pics of them. I would appreciate if anyone can help me out with the second one.
I would guess the the No5Mk1 to be a late war BSA by the serial stamping on the wrist and the metal on the fore stock. The action has the green paint that was used in jungle conditions such as Malaysia or Burma. I met a retired Brit that used one in Malaysia, he called it a "Burma Rifle".Have a competent gunsmith to check the headspace and overall conditon before firing it. I can imagine the stories these old guns could tell........
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im sure the date on your savage no4 rifle is 1942 [1842 is a typo] i may be seeing things but it looks marked mkI* , but that early date might be missing the *[ star ]
nice looking rifle - a quick trip to your local gunsmith can confirm condition to shoot/or not as to the BSA , im inclined to agree with you because of the wrist marking but should sport an M47C marking , as to the metal stock cap - that is not an indicator , the cap shows up on both mfgrs rifles early and late production , no ryme nor reason , for instance there is a cap on my late production FAZ no5 , see below |
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And here I am resurrecting an old thread: I was searching for the meaning of the letters "BLR" stamped on an Enfield I'm negotiating, and I find the answer here, proving again just how much valuable information can be mined from these old posts. The twist is, that the Enfield in question is a .30-06 M1917, "sporterized" (complete with redneck camo finish!) Am I correct in assuming that the British BLR stamp means that it's one of the surplus American rifles sent over and issued to the home forces? The "sporterizing" and camo finish eliminates any chance of finding traces of the red stripe. I didn't think the red stripe guns stayed in service long enough to get to the BLR stage. Can any of the very knowledgeable minds hereabout shed some light on that?
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I have a 1943 lee Enfield no4 m1, beautiful firearm. I haven't been able to find any info about its 2 letter designators for the serial number. AK11432. If anyone knows anything about it I would appreciate the knowledge. Thanks in advance.
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Goosic
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This is the only thing I can say with any amount of certainty. Your rifle was made at the Maltby plant. Bear43 can let you know more about it. Pictures of it will make thing easier for us. The area on the flat/slab side where the barrel threads into the receiver should have a couple of very tiny circles with numbers inside them. Above your serial number there should also be a stylized M with the possibility of a an M47C as well.
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Shamu
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It was a way of recycling individual serial numbers but making them unique. You started of with Serial No 1000. Then you went up to 9999. Then you had the "A" series (A1000~A9999), then B & C & so on to Z9999. Well almost Some factories used the first digit as a code for the maker, so some were 2000~2999 & others 3000~3999, but you get the idea. Next you went to a double letter so AA1000~AA9999 & then AB####, AC####, AD#### & so on to ZZ####. After that you went back to plain old #### hoping the different manufacture year would separate them anyway. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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