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sc-em
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Posted: November 24 2018 at 6:13am |
he!!o all,
I am just looking at a supposedly 1907 SMLE Mk111 as per the photo. However, I may be wrong, but I can't quite see it there is a magazine cut off. I thought all pre Mk111* had one but I may be wrong. I am looking at this as I feel it is a reasonable buy with matching numbers (restamps - what ever that means) and although I know it has not got the sight protectors, with my limited experience, it seems to fit the bill. I really wanted one from the war years, but guess that if pre war then still may have seen some action in WW1. The alternative I am looking at is a 1917 non matching Mk111* with original wood. Decisions! Decisions! |
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paddyofurniture
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Buy both.
Give one to me and one to Hoadie. You will die a happy man knowing your children are in good homes.
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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sc-em
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Errr!!! No. But a nice suggestion of an act of kindness.
Any thoughts on the question though?
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paddyofurniture
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I would buy the 1907 SMLE Mk111.
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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sc-em
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Based on what exactly? Both the photos are the 1907 one.
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Shamu
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I think it has one. The "barrel-shaped thing" just in front of the charger bridge seems to be the "handle" for it? Here's mine without a cutoff for comparison. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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sc-em
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That is what I was thinking but wasn't totally sure, Chaz.
Otherwise it seems a reasonable bet given my comments about possibly seeing service?
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Shamu
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"Re-stamps" are parts originally issued with one serial number, then swapped to a different weapon (Usually fitted & so so) When this is done the old number is "lined out" (strike-through) & the "new" number stamped instead. Fairly common nothing was wasted. I'm not sure why you think the sight protectors are missing though because I think I can see them as well?
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Looks similar to yours I think.
Less experienced eyes than your then. Not the best photos but all I have.
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Shamu
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Do you mean the "Fingers" are missing (from the wood stock) perhaps? That is also a common thing. To me a SMLE looks "incomplete" without them, but many were intentionally removed so its a personal choice, nothing more.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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sc-em
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Yes, sorry that's what I meant. So if the numbers are re stamped, is it a misnomer that the numbers match or is it that then parts would been re stamped and installed at the same time?
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Shamu
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Similar to mine yes, identical, no. Look here at this bit, it seems to be the handle to pull the disconnect OPEN. Probably done during a refurbish of some kind at the armory. What they'd do is get a bunch of "broken" stuff to fix. They'd triage into repairable or "Not repairable" distinguished by a "Z" stamp. Anything condemned would be stripped for usable parts & the rest scrapped. I assume there were "Buckets 'O Parts" or something similar. Once a new "customer" came in they'd determine what was needed & Root through the bucket Of all those widgets, looking for a spare. Then it would be fitted to the "patient" & if, numbered, struck out & renumbered indicating that this had happened. In " Its not necessarily a bad thing most of the guns this age are partly or even fully rebuilt, sometimes more than once. But it would effect collectable price downwards. Has it any "Z" or "FTR" stamps?
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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based on the photos posted there is a cutoff ,shows in the second photo clearly , unless i am missing something here you should be good to go here , if i missed something sorry ....
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sc-em
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Thanks Chaz and A Square. On watching documentaries about WW1 recently (like so many other I'll warrant) it seems hardly conceivable that any managed to stay fully intact without the need for repair. I understand what you say about value of a near intact example, but one with scuffs and scrapes is surely more interesting. If in pristine condition, can it have done anything other than live in an armoury or the like?
Your is always a fantastic example to look at. I did see an example for sale of one dug up from around the area of Cambrai. Recognizable but you can just imagine the condition, But what a piece of history. I am reminded of the caveat I have in a book on rebuilding the SMLE. It states that SMLEs are dangerous. Once you have one, you will want more.
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Shamu
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Having no pics of the other one makes choosing difficult. I honestly wouldn't call either "matching" from the collector's Point of view though. Are these dewats or for live fire?
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Here's the 1917 one. Its supposedly has original wood and is cheaper as it doesn't have 'matching numbers. It doesn't look in such good condition.
Dewat unfortunately. As I think I mentioned, getting a live one will just have to wait until I have time to go and get my shooting FAC. But at least it's a start.
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