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Arminius
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This is not primitive: look at that long range scale, and at the screw with which to adjust the angle of the whole setup to be exactly 90° to the bore.
MY guess would rather be a target sight along the lines of the ( perhaps too expensive? ) P - H 5A. Australian? Indian ( but not Khyber Pass work )? Canadian? Who used No 1 Mk 3 rifles the most and longest? Irish? Hermann
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India! Or the Solomon Islands if you include police applications. "Police forces in both the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu continue to operate and maintain stocks of No.4 rifles." Don't knock Khyber pass engineering, they did some amazingly good work, I just wouldn't trust anything pressure-bearing because of the unknown metal quality involved. They will fabricate, replicate, copy & re-purpose anything they can get their hands on (including things like threaded rod if they can't make it with taps & dies). Many are really close, but simplified for hand manufacture, replicas of existing products so the "Like P-H 5A" might be a big clue to origin.
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Zed
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I think it might be posting photos of that rear sight on the "Milsurps" forum. There is an Australian member there that has an exceptional collection of rear sight's. I'm certain he could identify it for you.
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Arminius
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Does anybody know the thread size of the sight disk(s) in the P H Diopters?
Is it the same as Redfield, Lyman, Marble´s, Williams sights? 3/8"? Thanks in advance, Hermann
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I think (but am not certain) that its the same as Lyman, assuming a genuine P-H.
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Arminius
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from somebody at thehighroad.org:
"7/32X40 has been the standard for Williams-Marbles-Lyman hunting/general use aperture sights for a most very long time, almost a hundred years at least." I have several Williams sight discs, I will try ASAP. Hermann
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https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/replacement-aperture-for-an-old-williams-sight.303016/
The author should get credit for his knowledge. Hermann
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Ich bin so dumm:
( I´m such a fool ) all things to try in house, no need to go anywhere, ask anybody, buy anything! |
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Williams apertures, partially with long shank. ( for their WGRS ):
left hunting disk size, 3/8" ( all data from memory ) outside, middle one 1/2", right target disk, somewhere 7/8". aperture sizes: smallest .050", standard .093, Williams recommended: .125, .150. I think all are in the picture. Target disk with smallest opening only. The "twilight" series has a brass ring, not around the aperture but on the peeps outside. Don´t know if they still make this. This are my spares, there are some in use on rifles. Hermann
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with Parker Hale 5A:
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The Williams apertures fit perfect!
Even the "feeling" while screwing them in was the same, seems dimensions and tolerances are the same! P H 5A in last 2 pics with Williams Twilight aperture fitted. As can be seen from the pics, the Parker Hale original aperture seems to be approx 1/2" outside and .125" inside ( I would have bet on .05 for target work, and according to Williams, .093" is "standard" ) Anyway, the 3/8" outside Williams makes for a good hunting peep, .093" or .125" aperture, I´ll see, if I can get the .150" in twilight configuration for "Close Combat" work. ;-) So no need to look for an expensive and scarce P H 6 hole Diopter insert ( which is, IMO, 1/2" or larger outside ) Hermann P.S.: to be honest, I still don´t understand why the brass ring on the "Twilight" series should help on low light.
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Hermann, I got a reply from a friend on milsurp's regarding the Australian rear sight that you showed us. This is from the expert.
The sight in question is a TYM, patent number 19,157/34, made by Samuel Tym, a grazier from Coonamble NSW, in 1934. The sight was also made under licence as VEE KEE LEE, by Edwards and Motton and as the SURESHOT SPECIAL, by Evans and Balfour. The example depicted is in original condition and as a collectible worth $300 to $400. Hope this helps! |
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WOW!
I´m speechless! I paid € 235 + S & H. I am happy! THANKS, Hermann
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"I love it when a Plan comes together"! John "Hannibal" Smith Col. USA (ret)
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Arminius: you should post that over at GunBoards! They have several very serious collectors there & not one of them has ever posted that sight! Nor has the guy in New Zealand that has a very detailed Lee Enfield site! |
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