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OldManMontgomery
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Posted: January 14 2024 at 5:53pm |
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Great conversation!
Many old guys in the history of the U. S. hunting pretty much anything they could find with a .30-30 rifle/carbine. It works. Karamojo (William M. D.) Bell took over 1100 ELEPHANT using three rifles, a 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenauer. a .264 Rigby (also known as a 7x57mm Mauser) and a (of all things) a .303 British, (No 1 rifle and the older 215 grain bullet). By his diary tally, he fired about 1.5 rounds per elephant. He used all 'solids' (FMJ) ammo and a keen knowledge of where to shoot. All that to say this. Shoot a round with decent penetration and put it in the right place. The critter will die promptly if not immediately. (That also applies to self defense, but that's a different conversation.) The .303 British round is quite suitable for much of North American (the continent) game. It is a bit more than needed for coyotes, wolves, gophers and the like and probably a bit less than comforting for the larger bear (Kodiak, Polar). But properly applied it will serve. Yes, there are laws about how big a rifle one needs for certain game. I certainly don't encourage one to ignore the laws. But having an automobile that will sustain a velocity of 120 mph for one hour does not mandate one must drive on a public road like that. My old trusted round is the 6.5x55mm Swede. It is another old one that will do just about everything do-able. But the .303 Brit is on my list. And a couple of others.
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paddyofurniture
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Posted: January 15 2024 at 4:53am |
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In North Carolina the 303 is great for deer, pigs, and bear. I have yet shot a bear.
I use 223 for the rest.
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Posted: January 15 2024 at 10:49am |
I feel using a 300 Weatherby for bear would be better served to fire a similar cased round with a larger diameter bullet. To my mind, something in the .358 caliber range. .35 Whelen suggests itself, although is is considerable older and not as dernier cri.
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 5:32am |
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I might have screwed up getting 1000ct Sierra 150gr Pro Hunters. They shoot tight groups though. I have them running 2650fps in hot weather 75-85F. In cold weather 2580fps at 20-30F. I see the terminal ballistics make them a 200yd bullet for TX hogs. I can make consistent head shots on my IPSC plate at 300yds, so they are fun for that.
I read where the Sierra 174gr Match King was a good performer to 400yds with the deep hollow nose. I think they have been discontinued though. OOS everywhere. Anybody know if the Hornady 174 OTM has a good hollow nose like the Sierra?
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 9:29am |
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You didn't screw up if the rifle shoots them good! I really like the Sierra 150's, and so do a few of my L-E's. My local range is 100 yds, my hunting shots are 200 yds max. A few years ago I tried the 174 MK's and results were worse than the Hunters. But I think they probably outshine the Hunters the farther out you reach. My type of shooting/hunting doesn't require it so I pretty much stick to the basics.
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 10:26am |
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150 gr .303 dispatches a bear rather handily, I find.
Don't need anything heavier, really. I do use 180 gr on moose though. |
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 10:42am |
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Good to know!
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 12:40pm |
Agreed. They about flapping their wings to get to 400yds tho! LOL I'll just use them to hunt 200 and in. I need to find a 600yd plate smacker though. After shooting LR and ELR with 708AI, I have to recalibrate my expectations.
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 6:34pm |
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Hogs are tough to put down! they have this "gristle plate" in the chest area, originally for surviving fights with other boars, If you bullet can't penetrate that more or less intact it wont get to anything vital! I was once in a situation where I was faced with a charging big boar & all I had was a .357 mag with 125 Gr JHPs at 1350FPS. A far from ideal boar hunting round as I discovered. I put it down with a high chest shot head on, just under the jaw as it charged, probably from 20 Yds. It went to the knees, then got up & continued. I hit it again, this time lower down, but center chest. It went down but got up again, almost immediately! At this point I'm getting desperate & its getting closer! I put 2 more into it rapid fire & the last one was probably at 12~15 FEET! All solid center mass hits. It didn't get up but it wasn't dead either. I put the last 2 into its head from behind to end the mess. & that is how I became a member of the "la yucayeque Villar De Lelo" nuevo TaĆno!
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Posted: January 18 2025 at 11:49am |
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I use a 300 Weatherby to hunt wild pigs.
I have a Browning 10x scope. Heads shots and watch them drop.
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