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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2026 at 10:55am
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

what happened to your avitar shamu - its distracting 
I'd exceeded my bandwidth for images & had to do a little slash & burn editing to clear out the files.
I still have everything both on line at Imgur & on the hard drive so nothings actually "lost"Big smile
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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I’ve had to delete about half of the pictures I posted.  Lost my Imgur account. 
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OUCH!
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It’s a PITA for sure.  The process to delete photos is not very user friendly either! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2026 at 12:38pm
OK , i get it , had to do that a few years back , probably have to do it again , photos go away in old posts 
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I just had to go delete a few more so I could PM an image.  I try to find the older pictures I’ve posted, but you have to open the link one photo at a time to see it, no way of knowing what you’re about to delete. 
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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Factory ammunition quality for “match grade” products have made large improvements over the years. So much so that handloads don’t have the large accuracy advantage they once did. However, there is always the possibility that a tuned handload will produce tighter groups than factory, but we are talking small differences that may only show up in perhaps F-Class and bench rest shooting.  

The other good reason to hand load is you have full control of the variables, like chamber pressure.  I decided I would not shoot .308 Win factory loads thru my DCRA, not knowing how close they are to .308 Win max pressures with the chamber/throat on my No. 4 7.62 conversions.  They are all probably fine, but no good reason to take the chance when you can handload. 

The claim that Norma is making that the diamond line (moly coated) bullets substantially increases barrel life is interesting. Barrel life is governed by throat erosion and that has a lot to do with powder burn temps and pressures. While the claim might be true in the sense that a one for one substitute of a plain jacketed bullet with a moly coated bullet keeping the same powder and charge weight would slightly lower pressures due to lower friction, bullets loaded to the same velocities seems unlikely there would be much difference in barrel life. 

NOS Enfield hammer forged heavy barrels for the L39/L42/Envoy must be very hard to find. But if the barrel life is truly doubled by substituting a plain jacketed bullet for a moly coated bullet, I would probably do that.  Alternatively, you can shoot reduced pressure loads for short to mid range work, save the “full” pressure loads for long range.  

Factory ammunition is usually loaded to magazine length.  You can substantially reduce pressures by seating bullets further out if the throat length allows it, which is the case for my DCRA 7.62 conversion.

 For 800, 900 and 1000 yards, I’m loading the Sierra 168 grain Tipped MatchKing (TMK) seated to a OAL of 2.95 inches, .020 inches off the lands.  Cramming that long bullet in the case to a 2.81 OAL reduces case volume significantly with a corresponding pressure increase.  I’m not seeing any load data specific for the TMKs, yet we know that when seated to the same length as the SMK, they must result in higher pressures for the same charge weight. 


A especially important aspect is that Norma keeps this type of projectile still today. That this ammo-production is still ongoing. The first advertisement for the 168 grains/10,0 grams i saw dates back from 1995 Thumbs Up Hug Realizing the round is still in Norma's offerings recently was a surprise of its own. This round achieved a 24 mm group on my very first attempt, 5 shots at 100 m, despite my truly hasty aiming. 
I had not much time.. Therefore one should say, still better shot-pics must be realizable Tongue  
It thus rivals such famous 168-gr-match loads as the Federal "Gold Medal" Match or RUAG's Swiss P. And the same shows this test IMHO, despite his age. snipercentral.com/matchammo.htm Some of the newer loads already took part. 

The questions of longer barrel-life, lower gas-pressure etc. i will be able to address this a bit later.. For today I seriously doubt that Norma would do the necessary effort if they were not certain that it substantially helps. 

The 7,5 mm Norma Swiss Match uses still the Diamond Line-bullet also, by the way. 






 

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