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IMR 3031 load data (replicating 303 Mk. VIIz) |
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ProudAussie
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Topic: IMR 3031 load data (replicating 303 Mk. VIIz)Posted: December 23 2024 at 12:28am |
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G’day everyone!
Although I’ve had a bit of a look round this forum, I’ve never actually posted here before. I’ve only just made an account today as a matter of fact. I will be acquiring a 1921 Lithgow SMLE Mk. III* quite soon, and I’ve been looking into reloading as a bit of a side hobby (and to save a little bit of money. 20 rounds of PPU 303 is about $35 here). I want to replicate the military load as closely as possible. From a little bit of research, it seems (correct me if I’m wrong) that 303 Mk. VIIz was a wartime expediency loaded with DuPont No. 16 powder instead of cordite (which was used in Mk. VII). I then discovered that IMR 3031 is basically a development of the No. 16 powder. As a result, I assumed that IMR 3031 would be perfect for replicating the velocity and pressures of Mk. VIIz ammo, being almost the same as the powder that was actually used. The trouble is, I haven’t been able to find any load data for IMR 3031 with a 174 grain projectile. I also have had trouble finding any historical information regarding the original No. 16 load in Mk. VIIz to use as a guide (well, there is a weight of around 40-41 grains mentioned on Wikipedia, but I had hoped to find some information from a more reputable source). My question is, simply, can anyone help me? My main aim, as I mentioned earlier, is simply to replicate the performance of Mk. VIIz, namely a muzzle velocity of around 2400fps. I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thanks, William
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Posted: December 23 2024 at 4:14pm |
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There are many powders to choose from to replicate the Mk 7 ball loads. You can do this with IMR 3031, but there are better choices that can get you the 2440 fps muzzle velocity for lower pressure. IMR 4064, 4350 and 4894 are good choices. Since you live in AU, ADI AR2208 is perhaps the best choice, 40.0 grains AR2208 with a 174 Sierra MatchKing will get you there. But there are many others.
For IMR powders, go to the Hodgdon website and you will find suitable loads with 174 grain bullets. Note that the Mk 7 bullet is rather unique, the conical nose filler made of aluminum (and other light weight materials) makes this bullet long for its weight and has a relatively high BC, approaching that of the Sierra HPBT MatchKing even though it is a flat base bullet. Welcome to the forum. |
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Posted: December 23 2024 at 4:48pm |
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Posted: December 23 2024 at 7:05pm |
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From my records: 38.0 Gr IMR 3031 in a PPU case with a CCI # 200 primer, gives me 2500FPS (chronoed @ 10') with a 174Gr .3012" Hornady FMJ-BT bullet. drop back a bit & work up to 2450 in your rifle. |
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Posted: December 24 2024 at 2:48am |
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Thanks heaps for the helpful replies!
britrifles, thanks for the information regarding powders. I have read before that AR2208 is a good powder for reloading 303, and now that you've mentioned it I may consider using that instead. Just a quick question for you: what exactly are the benefits of having lower pressure? Is it to do with protecting the rifle, or something else? Also, thanks for the heads-up on the Sierra bullets. Sounds like I'll give them a try when the time comes. SW28fan, I'm afraid that the link isn't working for me. Something about my IP address being banned(?). I'll try it again on another device and see if it works. Shamu, thanks for letting me know! Although I may end up using AR2208, I think I'll still have a bit of an experiment with 3031, so the data you've given me will be quite helpful. Thanks again, William
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Posted: December 24 2024 at 4:01am |
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I`ve used 3031 and 4064 extensively. The one rifle I use a lot I load 174gr Flat base PPU bullets on top of 38.2grs of 3031. good accuracy with the rifle its paired to. Results will vary, Start at 31gr and work towards a max or 39gr in 1 grain increments until you get the results you`re after. You can also fine tune in 1/10th grains increments once you start getting close. Lots of loading's and shooting to get there, but that`s half the fun of the exercise. Over all length and bullet seating depths are other considerations as well. Good luck
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Posted: December 26 2024 at 3:13pm |
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Thanks for that shiloh.
Because I’m up for a bit of experimentation, I probably will get some 3031 soon, and I’ll certainly follow your advice! I suppose I may need to buy a chronograph if I want to know the muzzle velocity, though. Is there a way to work up a load without using one? Thanks, William
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Posted: December 27 2024 at 4:21am |
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William, Lower chamber pressures give longer life out of brass cartridge cases, less wear and tear on the action and longer barrel life. Even small reductions in chamber pressure has measurable benefit. No. 4 rifle production ended in the 1950’s, and new barrels are difficult to find and expensive. It would be helpful if we knew exactly what you are wanting to achieve. If you want to exactly match the original ballistic performance of the Mk VII cartridge, you will really need a chronograph. You can get close by interpolating the reloading data tables to obtain the charge weight that gives a muzzle velocity of 2440 fps with a 174 grain bullet. 40.0 - 40.3 gr AR2208 (VARGET in the US) with 174 grain Sierra MatchKing will get you very close. The trajectory will match the Mk 7 out to 600 yards. Beyond that, the higher BC of the SMK gives a slightly flatter trajectory. It’s also a very accurate load for the .303, I’ve found none better in years of loading the .303 for competition shooting and have shot in excess of 10,000 rounds thru numerous No. 4 rifles. Probably the second best powder I have used is Re15. It gives excellent accuracy with similar pressure as AR2208 loaded to the same muzzle velocity. IMR 4064, Norma 202, VV N140 are other good choices in the same burn rate range. IMR 3031 is a faster burning powder, it gives higher peak pressures for the same muzzle velocity. As you have noted, there is not a lot of published data with a 174 grain bullet, 3031 is more suited to lighter bullets (125 and 150 grain). Having said that, I have tried 3031 with 174 grain bullets, and it can be safely loaded to 2440 fps muzzle velocity, buy why use it when there are more suitable powders that give lower pressures and better accuracy? |
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Posted: December 27 2024 at 7:57pm |
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Thanks for the information again. As to my purpose, I certainly don’t plan on competition shooting or anything like that. I’ll mainly just be shooting for fun, and possibly to eradicate the occasional pest (I live on a farm, so there’s usually something to shoot). I suppose I just want a load that’s ‘close enough’ to Mk. VII, mostly for historical interest. That’s the reason I’m buying the rifle after all. Because of that, I think that AR2208 will be perfect for what I want to do, especially if it’s better for the barrel’s longevity. It turns out that there was an almost full tin in my dad’s garage, so I’ve accidentally acquired some now anyway. It was manufactured in 1987(!), but I suppose it’s still alright. It certainly looks fine.
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