Pattern-1907 Bayonet, Indian manufactured.

Hello everyone

Mark here again. I got another Pattern-1907 Bayonet last week for $40 (US). It is a Indian made version manufactured at Rifle Factory Ishapore in 1916. It is still full-length (17" blade) and came with a older version of scabbard (oval shaped frog catch). From what I can tell, it looks like it has never been over-hauled, refinished, etc., which I think is a good thing. The throat and chape of the scabbard have been painted black though. Sorry about the cruddy photographs.
Mark

The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

And the last photo.
Mark

The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

Nice Buddy, I have 3 out in the shop that I found a few months ago.

"White Rhino"

"Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields

More about the markings...I have a total of four Pattern-1907 bayonets, three of the were made in Blighty, and now this Ishapore made bayonet.

On the three that were made in England, all three have extremely faint markings. On one I can see "1907", 7 17, and faint "Sanderson" markings. If looking at the bayonet at the "correct angle", I can see a "ghost image" of the King's Crown and G.R.. The other two are very similar with having faint markings.

This Indian made bayonet is just the opposite when it comes to readable markings. From what I have heard and see (mostly photos on the internet), it seems the Indian made bayonets had decent markings.

Are Great War RFI made Pattern-1907 bayonets (just asking about the full-length blades) more or less common? Or are they a bit on the "not seen everyday" catagory?
Mark

The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

Possibly a worn die stamp or it wasn't set up properly.

Rottie (PitBulls dad.)

“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!

One more idea that might explain the difference in markings. I heard that following the Great War many Pattern-1907 Bayonets were re-worked. I think that many were sand-blasted and refinished. I am talking about British made bayonets, not sure about Australian, Indian, and any others (did any other nation actually make Pattern-1907 Bayonets?, my guess is no, but could be wrong).

I do know that the knackered up Sanderson Drill Purpose Bayonet that I salvaged from a chunk of rust has several FTR dates stamped on it, (1923, 1927, and 1935, that I can see clearly), who knows when it was actually made, can't see that date anymore.

My Indian No.1 Mk.I** Bayonet (12" blade) started life as a Wilkinson made Pattern-1907. It has been cut down and blued in India. So that might be another explaination for the faint markings.

Usually when buying anything related to the Lee-Enfield Rifle I ususally try to find British made items. But I am glad I have some Indian made items, not rare at all, but still different enough that I'm glad I have them.
Mark

The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

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TomcatPC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 335	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomcatPC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Pattern-1907 Bayonet, Indian manufactured. Posted: January 19 2008 at 12:36pm
	Hello everyone Mark here again. I got another Pattern-1907 Bayonet last week for $40 (US). It is a Indian made version manufactured at Rifle Factory Ishapore in 1916. It is still full-length (17" blade) and came with a older version of scabbard (oval shaped frog catch). From what I can tell, it looks like it has never been over-hauled, refinished, etc., which I think is a good thing. The throat and chape of the scabbard have been painted black though. Sorry about the cruddy photographs. Mark
	The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

TomcatPC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 335	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomcatPC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 19 2008 at 12:37pm
	Another photo with markings. I'm sorry about the double photo in the first post. Mark
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	And the last photo. Mark
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	Nice find mark. I havn't noticed you around lately mate
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	Nice Buddy, I have 3 out in the shop that I found a few months ago.
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	nice deep markings there mate. always need more steel in the collection i reckon.
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TomcatPC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 335	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomcatPC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 19 2008 at 3:32pm
	More about the markings...I have a total of four Pattern-1907 bayonets, three of the were made in Blighty, and now this Ishapore made bayonet. On the three that were made in England, all three have extremely faint markings. On one I can see "1907", 7 17, and faint "Sanderson" markings. If looking at the bayonet at the "correct angle", I can see a "ghost image" of the King's Crown and G.R.. The other two are very similar with having faint markings. This Indian made bayonet is just the opposite when it comes to readable markings. From what I have heard and see (mostly photos on the internet), it seems the Indian made bayonets had decent markings. Are Great War RFI made Pattern-1907 bayonets (just asking about the full-length blades) more or less common? Or are they a bit on the "not seen everyday" catagory? Mark
	The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.

allan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: March 11 2006 Location: Dapto-Australia Status: Offline Points: 1924	Post Options Post Reply Quote allan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 19 2008 at 3:44pm
	every gunshow i go to mate , i see the short indian bayos more often. and your right on the markings now that you mention it they have always been deeper in appearance. maybe the poms were too busy pumpin out theirs to stamp properly????
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	Possibly a worn die stamp or it wasn't set up properly.
	Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!!

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TomcatPC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 335	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomcatPC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2008 at 11:52am
	One more idea that might explain the difference in markings. I heard that following the Great War many Pattern-1907 Bayonets were re-worked. I think that many were sand-blasted and refinished. I am talking about British made bayonets, not sure about Australian, Indian, and any others (did any other nation actually make Pattern-1907 Bayonets?, my guess is no, but could be wrong). I do know that the knackered up Sanderson Drill Purpose Bayonet that I salvaged from a chunk of rust has several FTR dates stamped on it, (1923, 1927, and 1935, that I can see clearly), who knows when it was actually made, can't see that date anymore. My Indian No.1 Mk.I** Bayonet (12" blade) started life as a Wilkinson made Pattern-1907. It has been cut down and blued in India. So that might be another explaination for the faint markings. Usually when buying anything related to the Lee-Enfield Rifle I ususally try to find British made items. But I am glad I have some Indian made items, not rare at all, but still different enough that I'm glad I have them. Mark
	The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888.