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    Posted: October 11 2019 at 10:43am
I have just bought a N04 Mk2 and found the barrel supported at the first barrel band, there are two small wood dowels just below the receiver. What is correct?
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Some pictures would help, you are describing an "accurized" bedded forend for target shooting. 
 
When you say "first barrel band" do you mean the middle band to which the sling swivel is attached? 
 
Standard No. 4 stocking had a barrel bearing point at the forward end of the forend.
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Hi, thanks for the reply. Its the middle band with the sling attachment. There are two wood dowels fitted to the wood each side of the bolt. I thought that the No4 barrel was free floated with just the front if the wood putting 6lb pressure upwards at the muzzle end.
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Thank you, very informative. This is my first Lee Enfield and I have only had it two days. I am still wondering what the two small dowels just in front of the screw holding the wood at the rear of the action to the receiver.
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They are a custom-fitted hardwood. Much harder that the stock wood & probably hand fitted to exactly match & fit as perfectly as possible. The idea is to utterly immobilize the metal within the wood. Its a fairly standard match-bedding arrangement. Most normal rifles wouldn't though.
Modern techniques use an epoxy & "mold it to the action" with a release agent.
This is classic old-school bedding.
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Thanks, looks like I struck lucky with this gun, didn't know it had been worked on so well. I will see what it shoots like soon.
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It's likely that the forward muzzle bearing area on the forend and handguard has been rasped out to give clearance all around the muzzle.  The barrel bearing block at the middle band is added (not standard), so the barrel is likely "free floating" forward of this middle band bearing. 
 
There may have been a few target rifles set up to have barrel bearing points at both middle band and muzzle; but that was not the typical set up. 
 
Barrel bearing blocks may be of wood or a composite (fiberglass for example). 
 
The idea of moving the barrel bearing point further back from the muzzle was to reduce the influence of the wood on barrel pressure as temperature and humidity changed during a match.  For example, laying the rifle down on it's side in the sun can warp the forend to one side as the wood contracts and result in a lateral shift at the target.  Experiments also identified that a barrel support at a location of a vibratory node gave better accuracy. 
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Originally posted by Dave Dave wrote:

Thanks, looks like I struck lucky with this gun, didn't know it had been worked on so well. I will see what it shoots like soon.


gun? GUN?! Is this a RIFLE or not?
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Originally posted by Dave Dave wrote:

Thanks, looks like I struck lucky with this gun, didn't know it had been worked on so well. I will see what it shoots like soon.


gun? GUN?! Is this a RIFLE or not?

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The dowels fitted below the receiver to create a snug fit with the receiver are common on No4 type rifles when modified for target shooting. My Fulton's No4 has these dowels and also the centre bedding; with barrel then floated forward of that.
Do you see a "Regulated by Fulton's" stamped on the rifle?
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