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    Posted: June 11 2022 at 5:21am
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I have a Lee Enfield number 4 Mark 1. The rail that the bolt slides on is worn at the point of where you can flip out the injector to slide the bolt out for cleaning. Can this be welded and re-machine via gunsmith to correct the problem. Thanks one and all for your attention. 

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Originally posted by KWBlair KWBlair wrote:

Gunsmith Question 
I have a Lee Enfield number 4 Mark 1. The rail that the bolt slides on is worn at the point of where you can flip out the injector to slide the bolt out for cleaning. Can this be welded and re-machine via gunsmith to correct the problem. Thanks one and all for your attention. 

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Welcome from Phoenix Arizona KWBlair.
Anything can be accomplished by a reputable gunsmith and if you are willing to she!! out alot of money. "Speed is just a question of money. How fast do you want to go?"
If the raceway is that far worn you should consider trying to locate another rifle that is in better condition.
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welcome , hope you get it fixed 
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I want to fix this one. I want to restore this rifle to its former glory. The Lee Enfield's are just now starting to becoming hard to find, as far as a good one is concerned. This is why I do not mined spend the extra money to a gunsmith that known we he or she is doing to fix the problem. The rifle still function decently with the weight of a cartridge in the grasp of the extractor. As long as I do not engage in a mad minute. After all the Lee Enfield are known best for their accuracy at extremely long ranges. So, if anyone knows of a Lee Enfield gunsmith here in the United States of America. It would be greatly appreciated, if someone could or would give me their contact information, So we, all here in the Enfield-Rifle.Com community can save such a well respected, and elegant rifle. That can only be match, if not surpassed by that of the M1 Garand. So, if anyone knows a really good gunsmith please respond to this posting.

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BDL ltd. Brian d**k has an excellent reputation for Lee Enfield repairs.
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Wouldn't hurt to contact a reputable machine shop. A good welder can build up the area after finding out the steel composition and a machinist could kill it to spec. Then you could paint or blue the receiver.
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Zed,
I just sent BDL LTD a message via his website. Once, I receive a message. I will inform everyone of what Brian had to say about it.
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Definitely worth getting a professional opinion.
Personally I would think that welding the receiver would be a bad idea; because it may have an effect on the original heat treatment of the component. Seeing as it's holding around 18 tons per square inch next to your face when firing. I would prefer an original rifle in good condition.
But I'm sure that Brian will be able to advise you from a professional point of view.
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This reciever may be worn beyond repair.  Brian would be the guy to send it to.  Can you feel any radial movement at the back of the bolt when it is locked?  
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As promised, I would tell all of you what Brian d**k had to say about this problem. So here is what he wrote.

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He’ll need to tig the corners where it’s chipped and then file by hand or machine the track if he has a milling machine. I used to file them with needle files. Heat in the area is not a huge issue as the hardening is in the rear locking recesses. The weld must be compatible with mild tool steel. If you need me to remove and install the barrel for him, I’ll be glad to do it if he’s not set up for barreling Lees. I’m not sure whether your rifle gauges up to spec or how much use it has. Many rifles with chipped rails are very well used and may have other problems. The bodies do wear out. I’ve had many sent here for new barrels, some No.4 but mostly Mk.III. About half from the RTI Ethiopian imports in recent years. Hopefully, your LB isn’t one of those. You just don’t know without a proper inspection and check with correct gauges. The hardening in the locking recesses is only 3-4 thousandths deep and wears through so when it happens the body is scrap. You can fix the headspace but they just set back again. The sear table also wears and the sear will start to drag and catch on the left hand locking lug on the bolt. There’s a one time fix for it and I had a correct tool made so can help there too. Let me know how you make out. Thanks. 


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Great that you've got advice from Brian.
Let us know how you get on!
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I'd send Brian the barreled action if I was you to have him inspect and gage.  Note what he said about "The bodies do wear out.".  he is referring to the surfaces that the bolt rides on.  If the rifle was not kept very clean, dirt/sand/grit gets in there and wears the bolt and body so that bolt fit gets sloppy.  


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UPDATE FOR YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the advice of Brian d**k, I just got back from taking the Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 Canadian LongBranch, and the Eddystone Pattern 1914 to Bruce Dow, in Dade City, Florida. Bruce first looked at the worn rail on the No4 Mk1. He said, "yes it can absolutely be repaired and saved. He then did a quick inspection of the barrel, muzzle, and chamber area's. I am happy to report that he told me the barrel was in good shape and very serviceable.
So, I did decide to live it with him for the necessary repair. 

Bruce's first look the Pattern 1914 rifle, He said "this is in excellence condition. The wood looks beautiful. I thought it needed a new barrel, and Bruce said, "no it doesn't." I told him, I thought the chamber was worn out. He said no there is nothing wrong with it. I did decide to leave it with him as well. I requested that he inspect it thoroughly and put gages the barrel. He is quoted as saying "this one is the happy success story." I was asked where I picked up the Pattern 1914. I told him a few months ago at the Tampa, Florida gun show.

I will send out another update for you all as I know farther developments. 
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Excellent!  This will give you piece of mind knowing it is safe to shoot and fully serviceable.  
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Yes it does give me a great deal of peace of mind. Also what gives me a great deal of peace of mind is that the fact that Bruce Dow, Who is internationally renowned for his talent as a gunsmith specializing on the Enfield line it’s self as well as M1 grands and 14s etc. Knowing that it’s in his hands and that the advice that was given to me by not one but two other gunsmiths said I should take it to him. Both of those Gentlemen and their names are Brian d**k of South Carolina , and Greg Keller of Dunedin, Florida both said Bruce Dow is the final Authority that if it can be fixed it will get fixed. Guys I can’t tell you, what an honor it was to meet a gentleman like Bruce Dow. I respectfully shook his hand when I first met him and I respectfully shook his hand after I gave my two rifles to him. I feel real good inside myself today. Knowing that I did something necessarily very correct to preserve a part of history that is slowly fading away. I will definitely let all you guys know how things go with both rifles. Thanks for reading and I hope everyone a very good weekend.

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Very good news!
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