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An unused round smeared with engineers blue then chambered should give some indication if there are any rough patches. I say engineers blue because I wouldn't advocate using the candle soot smudge system on a live round. Murphys law says " if it can go wrong it will go wrong" and I'd hate to think what would happen if the heat sparked the powder.
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Hey there Shamu, I am saying the ppu 150gr is running 2690fps(factory) , thats by there data on there website. I dont know what kind of powder they use but it wieght out at 42grs. < id="pluginobj" ="application/x-vnd-actl-tl" style="width: 1px; height: 1px; visibility: ; ">
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That sounds like a fairly hot load, perhaps too hot for some rear locking Lee Enfields, more like a load for a P-14.
Kynamco loads .303 and other Cordite era cartridges to fairly high velocities, but they claim to use a blended powder charge to keep pressures down.
 
Fact is the only other time I remember someone asking about difficult extraction when using a factory load it was a 150 gr European load. Don't remember the manufacturer offhand, probably not Privi. Privi does sell components to other European cartridge manufacturers.
 
My own favorite load drives the Hornady .312 at around 2600 +/- a few fps, and it pushes safe limits for a .303 reload. I only use it in rifles in very good to excellent mechanical condition and with headspace of .068 or less, so I've had no problems with it, and have gotten excellent case life with it from  my No.4 Savage. People often ask for my exact load but I can't recommend the full charge for a rifle I haven't examined. I use IMR 4320, which is a powder you don't hear as much about these days, its excellent for the .303 and similar cartridges.
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OK, thats probably just the usual manufacturer's exaggeration of MV. I was hoping it might be something like that as if you were getting a measured velocity that high I'd be seriously concerned.
Manufacturers use guns we can't get (Universal receivers) with tight bover length custom barrels fitted to them to get insanely high test velocities. I once saw an 18" BBL quoted for a .357 magnumn pistol load data set. I wondered how they'd gotten the quoted reasdings! They also have access to "cannister" powders we can't buy so I wouldn't be too concerned with the factory loads.
You could check with a box of RemChester as a control & see if the same thing happens.
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

OK, thats probably just the usual manufacturer's exaggeration of MV. I was hoping it might be something like that as if you were getting a measured velocity that high I'd be seriously concerned.
Manufacturers use guns we can't get (Universal receivers) with tight bover length custom barrels fitted to them to get insanely high test velocities. I once saw an 18" BBL quoted for a .357 magnumn pistol load data set. I wondered how they'd gotten the quoted reasdings! They also have access to "cannister" powders we can't buy so I wouldn't be too concerned with the factory loads.
You could check with a box of RemChester as a control & see if the same thing happens.
 
You'll often see pistol and revolver cartridge velocities in catalogs that turn out to have been fired in ten inch test barrels.
Loads from different companies may have the same true velocity but one company may chrono at or very near the muzzle while the other chronos at 50 yards from the muzzle.
 
When manufacturing cartridges they don't often go by a set charge weight. Each lot of powder and components is tested and a load figured out to suit those components with little thought given to chamber pressure specs other than not to exceed the max pressure. What they try to do is get as close to their promised velocities as possible without exceeding max chamber pressures. Sometimes they end up subtituting a propellent for the one they would prefer to use if they start running short or some powder on hand has been found degraded.
Only milspec ammunition intended for gas operated autoloaders has a minimum pressure and that only at the gas port, since lower than specified will affect function of the action.
 
 
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OK thanks, there is a lot off good info on here, I will  just take my time and figure it out, I appriciate everyones input< id="pluginobj" ="application/x-vnd-actl-tl" style="width: 1px; height: 1px; visibility: ; ">
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"I say engineers blue because I wouldn't advocate using the candle soot smudge system on a live round."
Definitely not! Smoke smudging is for  fired or resized unloaded cases only. Use blue, felt marker dye or so on for live rounds.
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

"I say engineers blue because I wouldn't advocate using the candle soot smudge system on a live round."
Definitely not! Smoke smudging is for  fired or resized unloaded cases only. Use blue, felt marker dye or so on for live rounds.


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Also known as Prussian Blue !!  We use it when fitting parts together to see what the fit is , valves to valve seats .....
Very messy stuff , dont put the tub in your pocket or tool box ...LOL!!!  Dont ask how I know !

The Wife's Lip Stick would work well also !!!  if your brave enough to use it !!!  LOL!!
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Originally posted by White Rhino White Rhino wrote:

Also known as Prussian Blue !!  We use it when fitting parts together to see what the fit is , valves to valve seats .....
Very messy stuff , dont put the tub in your pocket or tool box ...LOL!!!  Dont ask how I know !

The Wife's Lip Stick would work well also !!!  if your brave enough to use it !!!  LOL!!


 Yep it sure is messy Rhino. I dropped some in a mates pocket out of sheer devilment. He looked like he'd been dipped in woad. Have you swiped your wifes lipstick to smudge cases???  How long were you in hospital for???LOL
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Also known as bearing blue.
A little bit goes a long way when you put a spot of it on the sweat band in someones safety helmet too. A bit like neversieze.
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Lithgow !!!  Lets not go there , I have been there and , I believe you have to !!! LOL!!!

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I developed a load for a 150gr Hornady spire point at 2700fps.  I did go up to 2725fps but I didn't like the appearance of the fired case so settled on 2700fps which I considered top end for my rifle which had a tight chamber.  Tight in that the case did not expand much and the shoulder did not move forward.  Different powders can exceed that with lower pressure but those are the exception.  The powder I used was MR200.  It was a very good powder and gave good accuracy.  

Those privy loads should not be overloading the action with that amount of added space where the shoulder moves forward to.  There is something other than pressure causing the stiff bolt opening.  From what I can make out, that fired case shows no sign of high pressure but then a photo isn't the same as holding the case in one's fingers and rolling it to the light.
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Yeah, someone at my work almost got the sack for doing that to the managers brother in law as he was leaving our dept about 10 years ago. I'm still there though.
Had to put on my best innocent look to get out of that.
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"I developed a load for a 150gr Hornady spire point at 2700fps."
According to Hornady's manual thats a max load, only one powder is listed at that velocity as well so its right at the top of the range. Most powders listed top out at 2600 FPS for a 150 Gr bullet.
 
Sierra has similar limits & data as well, & Speer is lower at 2600. Acurate arms lists a max of 2561fps for 45,000 CUP, pretty much a max load. Hodgdons lists maximums of 2756FPS for 39,200CUP with ball C(2).
 
As so many major manufacturers are quoting numbers like this 2690 is high, even for a book maximum  IMO & you should approach anything above any book maximum with extreme caution & use lots of prudent working up if you dont want to invite catastrophic failure. Personally I use the lowest high of several manuals as a functional "STOP HERE" point as its not stressing the brass or the gun & that way I have a little "extra" insurance for any mistake, or variation in powder charge I may make. The most accurate load is usually not the highest, hottest load either & as most of us are pretty much punching paper then I go for accuracy not power. Thats a personal choice though, hunters seem to prefer power to accuracy.
 
A classic symptom of excess pressure is the brass over stressing so it doesn't drop back after expanding during firing. High velocities, high pressures & sticking brass are all possible signs of impending disaster & you should always err on the side of caution when reloading, "fail safe" is a good reloaders motto!
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Come on Rhino fess up! Did you swipe your wifes lipstick and smudge some cases?? LOL
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