ammo and Bayonet
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Topic: ammo and Bayonet
Posted By: Mack in N.C.
Subject: ammo and Bayonet
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 6:42pm
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Ok, done a lot of reading and still confused. Got a 2a 7.62 x 51 made in 1966. seems some say ok to shoot 308 some say no. so what about Remingtons managed recoil loads as these cant have the pressure of full strength loads?? also, the bayonet thing sill confuses me. see plenty on ebay for Mark 4 . will they fit? thanks for any responses. Mack
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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 10:47pm
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308 in 7.62 Nato chambered rifles is an involved issue. It involves Chamber tolerances and well as pressure limits. In an Ishy I would stick to Ball 7.62 Nato or Handloads to those specs. Others with more knowledge will hopefully chime in about safety of specific loads. As for the Bayonet the Ishapore takes a shortened version of the Bayonet for the No1 SMLE the standard SMLE bayonet will fit. I think it looks better ------------- Have a Nice Day If already having a nice day please disregard |
Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 12:41am
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 3:58am
Welcome from Phoenix Arizona Mack. Federal Cartridge Co. Make two specific rounds that would be safe to use . The 168grn and the 175grn match ammunition. Aguilla Ammunition make 150grn 7.62x51mm rounds suitable for your application as well. If you reload your own ammunition, there are alot of different loading data out there to assist with a near duplicate 7.62x51mm load. You can find the 144/47grn NATO ammunition at various online sources, and that would definitely be your best alternative to use in your rifle. The bayonet would be any bayonet designed to fit the SMLE No1Mk111/* rifles. eBay has them listed under the title Enfield Bayonet P1907.
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Mack in N.C. wrote:Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 4:58am
| Welcome from Brandon, Manitoba, Canada! |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 5:19am
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7.62 vs .308 boils down to a question of headspace. If the bolt on your rifle closes on a SAAMI .308 Field gage, do not shoot .308 ammunition. That is the very definition of a rifle unsafe to shoot. 7.62 cartridge brass is made thicker in the web area just above the case head to handle the longer 7.62 chamber.
Most .308 commercial loads (not all) will produce higher chamber pressures than the .303 British Mk 7 service cartridge. Make sure you keep the chamber free of oil and water, this minimizes thrust loads on the bolt (a good practice for all LE rifles). If you reload, that is your best option, use minimum published loads for .308 Winchester. The .308 Remington Managed Recoil factory load is a 125 gr bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2660 fps. While this is likely very mild for the .308 (and light bullets definitely reduce felt recoil) we do not know what powder is used, so we have no way to estimate max chamber pressure of this load. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 6:57am
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Bayonets for the No4 & No1 bayonets for the SMLE are not interchangeable, sorry. The No1 (SMLE uses a knife handled bayonet with a locking lug as part of the nosecap, the No4 uses a socket bayonet around the protruding muzzle.) 2 different bayonets for the No4:  P1907 bayonet for the No1 SMLE:  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 8:43am
| the indians made a shortened version of the P1907 known as their no1 mkI , mkI* , mkI** , mkII , mkII* , mkIII , mkIII* , the mkIII series had the squared pommel that i think look best with the 2A and 2A1rifles , |
Posted By: Mack in N.C.
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:23pm
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Thanks for the reply.....I need a round for hunting. Are any loads you listed good for deer as I want to kill a deer with this gun. I have plenty of ball ammo but I would assume they are not good for hunting. I listed gun as a 2a but it is a 2a1.... also still confused on the bayonet thing. I see the differences in the length but I cant tell the way they attach.
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Posted By: Mack in N.C.
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:31pm
| just seen the bottom of your post about which one will fit. Those are not cheap . looks like i will have to spend at least 150.00. on it. Thanks for the reply. Mack |
Posted By: Mack in N.C.
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:36pm
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Also, I know the 308 and 7.62 Nato are different kinda like the 223 and 5.56 but then why would PMC list both on their ammo box?? https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/part-number-amm-7355/FC-AMM-7292.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/part-number-amm-7355/FC-AMM-7292.html
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 9:53pm
| Aguila Ammunition makes a 150grn lead tipped spire point for 7.62x51mm chambered rifles. Suitable for medium size game... |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 12:43am
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the bayonet attaches as the P1907 did with the muzzle ring and lug on the bayonet boss - nosepiece of the stock , the difference in the indian bayonets and the P1907 is the length - they shortened them , i have to switch computers to add photos , i no longer have photos of my indian kit - that was lost in the old photobucket debacle but i have a P1907 photo i think that will indicate the connection ,  the four on the right are the correct connection but the longer length , the indians shortened theirs to the length of those on the left ,
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Posted By: scottz63
Date Posted: November 12 2021 at 4:25am
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I like the shorter Indian version. I have to go look for one now. Thanks! ------------- 14EH AIT Instructor-PATRIOT Fire Control Enhanced Operator/Maintainer |
Posted By: Chris D
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 6:22pm
| .308 vrs 7.62 x 51 gets debated in my M14 forum. In large part due to the fact that confusion about pressure. SAAMI and NATO standards use different means to measure pressure so comparing them is apples to oranges. SAAMI uses piezo transducer pressures while NATO are based on the older CUP method. 50K CUP is about the same as 60/61 SAAMI. 7.62 NATO brass is thicker so a .308 may expand more. Some advice. As noted in the other posts check to see your headspace is OK. When looking at a hunting round, look for the muzzle velocity. If it is close to what a 7.62x51 mv is then it is about the right pressure. Some .308s will produce too much pressure so if you see super or extra in the label look at the MV, if it is a 100 FPS faster or more than a 7.62 round of the same weight, I would avoid it. Check the specs before buying but if you can get a chronograph, it would be good to see what your MV are to find a hunting round that has a similar MV to a NATO round. Ishapore chambers are generous. and the thinner .308 brass should expand. It may not be good for reloading but it should expand if you follow the pressure rule. So next rule is stay away from steel cased 7.62 or .308. It may be too brittle to expand. |