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Topic: Vickers Machine Gun
Posted By: Strangely Brown
Subject: Vickers Machine Gun
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 11:05am
This last Sunday at Bisley; in commemoration of the centenary of the disbandment of the Machine Gun Corp.
The noise was terrific! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uHBUBrYmgo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uHBUBrYmgo


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 11:39am
Definitely wouldn't want to walk into that wall of lead!


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 10:38pm
thus far there has been only one member i know of here that had one - john sukey [god rest his soul] was a member briefly here and he had one as well as an array of other interesting things over his lifetime , i wish he had been here sooner - he had a lot to contribute that we missed out on in his later life 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 4:15am
Given one cannot own auto weapons in Blighty - where were all these big beautiful machines coming from?? That was awesome!

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 11:33am
That's a good point.
I'll ask my Brit buddy who's into this stuff.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

thus far there has been only one member i know of here that had one - john sukey [god rest his soul] was a member briefly here and he had one as well as an array of other interesting things over his lifetime , i wish he had been here sooner - he had a lot to contribute that we missed out on in his later life 
 
I wished I could have met the man. He lived 90 minutes south of me and I would have gladly driven down as often as possible to spend time and chat with him...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 3:02pm
OK, chapter & verse.
Pretty much what I expected.
"Such are owned by museums, companies, associations that provide informative services or film company support, not as individuals".


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Strangely Brown
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

OK, chapter & verse.
Pretty much what I expected.
"Such are owned by museums, companies, associations that provide informative services or film company support, not as individuals".

Yes in this case mainly military museums and I believe the School of Infantry at Warminster in Wiltshire provided a quantity. 
Another (better) film of the event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIdbsFlFNaM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIdbsFlFNaM


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Mick


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 1:02pm
They sure burned thru a bunch of .303 ammo!

Early in the video, I see a number of spectators standing forward of the firing line.  Surprised that is allowed at Bisley. 


Posted By: Strangely Brown
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

They sure burned thru a bunch of .303 ammo!

Early in the video, I see a number of spectators standing forward of the firing line.  Surprised that is allowed at Bisley. 

Range staff Geoff!
There are a number of lanes you have to keep clear between firers before you can move forward, to be honest I forget exactly what the rule and I think on military ranges here it's an angle of 200 MiL or it used to be. 

As I type this the range area around Bisley is currently on fire which started on Monday; Saturday's competition has been cancelled and this years F class Imperial meeting looks in doubt.




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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 1:35pm
Ahhh, thanks for that Mick.  Over on this side of the Atlantic, they are somewhat fanatic about not crossing the firing line for the full width of the range.  Not even staff.  

Sure hope they get that fire under control! And hope it gets nowhere close to those old wood buildings on the Range!  I’ve often wanted to go and see the Canada club house….but never had the opportunity. 




Posted By: Strangely Brown
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Ahhh,I’ve often wanted to go and see the Canada club house….but never had the opportunity.

My last stay in Canada House kept me busy reading the graffiti on the wooden clad rooms; they all followed a pattern of name, year & score in the Queens final!

They also serve one of the best breakfasts on camp. 


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 2:39pm
My Dad was asked several times to shoot in the Canada to Bisley DCRA team, but wasn’t able to get the time off work.  This was in the 1960’s.  I’m sure some of that graffiti are from his DCRA shooting buds…


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 5:49pm
thats sad - fires all over these days , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 7:39pm
In the video (close up of the breech & fed side at 0:59, something is "leaking" out of the receiver.Is that condensation is some form or excess lube?
It almost looks Japanese!Sick


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 06 2022 at 7:50pm
I thought it was water from the cooling jacket. 


Posted By: Strangely Brown
Date Posted: July 07 2022 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

In the video (close up of the breech & fed side at 0:59, something is "leaking" out of the receiver.Is that condensation is some form or excess lube?
It almost looks Japanese!Sick

Because each Vickers had only a certain amount of ammunition I think they dispensed with the water cans and tubes to vent the steam back into the cans.
That's an assumption on my part gleamed from a conversation I half heard! 


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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 5:34am
"Fire one round or a thousand, you still gotta clean `em".

Thats what my SGM used to always say to us with a big grin on his face


Posted By: scottz63
Date Posted: July 08 2022 at 6:00am
Very cool. Thanks for posting!

I saw the water as well and thought it might be a leaking water jacket.


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 09 2022 at 5:06am
Great to see these in action. When so many have been chopped.
You certainly don't want to be on the wrong end of those!
Thanks for sharing the video.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: July 09 2022 at 6:29pm
i would love to have spent more time with john sukey , he had so many things we speak of here but dont own nor ever will , that man was a wealth of enfield knowledge , he came here late and i miss him a lot , MJ will chime in as he knew him well too , we can only dream of what that man owned in his lifetime , 


Posted By: Strangely Brown
Date Posted: July 10 2022 at 3:15am
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

i would love to have spent more time with john sukey , he had so many things we speak of here but dont own nor ever will , that man was a wealth of enfield knowledge

I first came across John Sukey on the old "Gun & Knife" forum along with MJ; I was pretty new to the internet back then and was surprised to find so many people from across the pond with an interest in Enfield's.
John came to the UK some years ago for a reenactment display to do with Victorian artillery which as an ex gunner was close to my heart; we often discussed things like the "Screw Gun" made famous by Kipling in one of his poems.  



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Posted By: vickersmg
Date Posted: July 19 2022 at 5:24am
If you’re free on Wednesday evening (8pm UK time) and want to find out more about how we planned and delivered the 16 https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/vickersmg?__eep__=6&__cft__%5b0%5d=AZWSIaIkMzVrEOVuq5l4Q5P5gwOg8c-Flr3ei_8lqGOMLG0v2KBVIUXqsxsHJN6tK5EM4LC3o3golnncMtEPzydF8lilxkg_gdrGoHH9GAcg743CGy0gWBpzA4FNaXg_pw17otuVbFvEtdLljVk_4atXDyal7IOKB5FsuaOgRwTOXL-fI_r9vYl0il0-LVf_AXU_QzEtxIylIwzogi_D5miF&__tn__=*NK-R" rel="nofollow - #VickersMG shoot at Bisley on 3 July, then join me on a livestream chat.
https://youtu.be/Axn420bJBLU?fbclid=IwAR12pdpiY50v2dyKWd8UQdZdBc_HfsJlBO2A2HuJKb_onQrBQzb-Tnj0JVw" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/Axn420bJBLU


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 19 2022 at 11:53am
sounds great; I'll try and tune in!

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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 19 2022 at 12:30pm
The Vickers is iconic... was the Lewis Gun considered a good weapon?


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 4:46am
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

The Vickers is iconic... was the Lewis Gun considered a good weapon?

From what I have read, it was terribly inaccurate. But methinks the idea was to keep the enemy's head down.

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 5:58am
I watched a show yesterday on the demise of the Red Baron in WW1. Interesting. in this show, it was suggested he may have been was shot down from the ground by an Australian soldier and I think it was with a Lewis Gun. I'm not sure if it was an old show and they have since proven or disproved this theory, but it was an interesting watch!


Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 7:30am
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I watched a show yesterday on the demise of the Red Baron in WW1. Interesting. in this show, it was suggested he may have been was shot down from the ground by an Australian soldier and I think it was with a Lewis Gun. I'm not sure if it was an old show and they have since proven or disproved this theory, but it was an interesting watch!


I watched that show and found it intriguing, the way forensics was used to determine the Barons death on 100+ years old indecent reports, how the low entry and high exit of the lethal shot could have only come from a ground based shot.
But will that change the history or the story telling, most likely not.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 9:00am
A machine gun isn't supposed to be "rifle Accurate", there's no point in putting 5 or 6 rounds through the same hole!
Cone of fire was the term, I believe.
Also the Lewis was a light machine gun, the Vickers a heavy, so there's more differences there.
The only bad thing I ever heard about them was the mechanical complexity internally "42 moving parts, 42 ways to jam"!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 10:51am
So a Lewis Gun was the Bren Gun of that era?


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 20 2022 at 11:12am
Pretty much.
It was the first "real gun" I ever fired! My grandfather took me to the range where I loaded drums all morning (regimental Powder monkey Star) & got to shoot it in the afternoon, very ,very closely supervised!

I was returned home all beat up, filthy & grinning from ear to ear. My grandmother supposedly didn't speak to him for a whole week!
She tried to "scrub that stupid grin from my face" with stiff brushes & carbolic soap I was lobster red but still grinning!Big smile

You definitely didn't want to let that "Clock Spring" get away from you, to the point it was permanently sealed tensioned & only removed as a complete sub assembly!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_gun" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_gun




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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: vickersmg
Date Posted: July 21 2022 at 8:08am
The live Q&A ended up here:  https://youtu.be/1njLHKuOYIo" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/1njLHKuOYIo

As to the Lewis gun, our opinion: Good gun as a light automatic. Bad machine gun. Tried to use it for too much sustained fire when first introduced (as it was considered like-for-like with the Vickers) and this reputation affected it for many years after. When realised in the later part of the war that it was used at a section level, it was ideal, if too heavy for an 'assault' weapon.


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www.vickersmg.org.uk
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