I have a C No7 MK1 Long Branch .22 trainer dated 1946 .

All matching and stamped. I shoot this regularly at the indoor club range l belong to.

I’ve noticed the extractor isn’t extracting the rimfire cartridge as well as it should, the extractor is larger than that of the no4 and the claw extends further across the face of the bolt so as to engage the smaller .22 rimfire cartridge rim.

So anybody got any clues/information as to where any replacements might be sourced.

I can’t find one for my trainer but if it broke that’s what I’d use

Before you go there check the spring.

if that's broken (usually at the "U" bend) or weak that will cause the problem.

Yes if I cant locate an original l intend to, I’ve got some no4 extractors and will try to modify or as you said make from high tensile steel, good idea.

The spring looks ok, although might be a bit weak. I will try a no4

Spring to check 

As I said to shamu,  spring looks ok but will try a no4 spring they are very similar.

Suspected the ejector claw and spring; but it was actually the edge of the chamber.

Some previous owner had dry fired the rifle, and the firing pin hit the edge of the chamber, peening the edge slightly. I found the problem by bluing an empty case with a marker pen . On extraction it left a line visible on the case. 

Repaired with a small file.

Thanks for the offer but my extractor is a-bit different to the original you have. I would like to get an original if possible. The rifle was manufactured in Canada by Long Branch and then taken over Crown Company,  Jan 1946, the small arms division of Canadian Arsenal’s Limited peace time production, there must be some parts out there somewhere? I got this information from the Lee-Enfield story by Skennerton. I was hoping this thread might reach someone in Canada that could put me in touch with a gunshop gunsmith or someone to get one. My last resort would be to make or modify one from a no4 as you have.

Being a newbie to this l will try to put some pictures up.

The C No. 7 extractor should look like the one on the top of the photo.  The one on the bottom is a No. 4 extractor. 

Thanks to zed for his input spring and chamber is ok.

Unfortunately don’t know how to post a picture.

The extractor in top of the picture is exactly the one required,

if that is surplus to your need could I purchase it, or could you point me in the right direction as to where l can get one 

Posting & if needed resizing, pictures cheat sheet.

I believe there is a minimum post count to open the feature. sorry but spammers are a pain so we had to do this.

https://enfield-rifles.com/picture-posting-resizing-cheat-sheet_topic5675.html

Can you confirm that the extractor in your CNo. 7 is damaged?  I do have one or two spares, so if we can determine that the problem is indeed the extractor, I will be willing to send you one of them. 

I am new to this forum and not good at the internet,I guess it’s an age thing,l live in Oxford England.

Now I have an embarrassing confession, l also have a Enfield no4 Mkll Fazakerly .303 checking some.303 cases that I had resized, ran them through the chamber, now hear comes the stupid bit,I used the bolt from my No7 by mistake of coarse but still stupid. Here we have to keep bolts in separate safes.

This rolled over the end of the extractor which I found out to my horror at the range when the rimfire.22 would not extract ,the extractor spring looks ok but the extra strain extracting the.303 cases might have weakened it.

Let’s address both rifles here:

1. CNo.7.  Is the extractor indeed damaged and in need of replacement?  Can you take a picture and post it on this thread?  If so, I will send you one of my spares.  Just PM me your address.  The CNo.7 uses the same extractor spring as the No. 4.

2.  No.4. If you need a new extractor and/or extractor spring, I suspect those should be readily available in the UK.  

I see that you are in Oxford, so am I. What indoor range do you use, I use the Witney projectile range.

I also shoot at Bisley and Stoke Orchard Full bore.

Geoff (Stanforth).

A square 10 wrote: glad you have joined us here , the Cno7 is a 22cal rifle and the mo4 is a 303 cartridge rifle , it would help to have clarification of which we are addressing , some bits are interchangeable

I think he has one of each.

He mentions using the .22 bolt to check a 303 by accident, because bolts must be stored separately from rifles in the U.K.

There's no dedicated .22 sub forum.

Maye we need one?

I'll move it to "Enfield Rifles".

OK, hold on something glitched.

[UPDATE]

all fixed now.

I suggested a 22 sub forum back in 2021 but it never got off the ground.

And here is the problem, I've lost count of the moans & groans first thing at Bisley when club members realise they have bought the wrong bolt along for the rifle they are going to shoot. 

Vassy, you have my sincere sympathy for living in a county with a firearms department that issues such unnecessary creeds when it comes to firearms storage...move to Wiltshire before it's too late! 

I've never had the requirement to store the bolt seperately in, Nottinghamshire, North Wales or Lincolnshire.

The problem is that the Police try and interpret the law rather than enforce the law - Had a wonderful argument with my Local Fireams Manager that resulted in him being "removed for office".

He insisted that because I had removed & refitted the furniture I had to resubmit the rifle for proofing, eventually I had to get a letter from the Proof House explaining that they wanted furniture removing before the rifle was sent to them to avoid damage in the clamps.

When I explained to the Chief Constable that the Firearms managers' 'rules' meant that I would be forever sending the rifle for proof, he agreed. The position is now shared between two youg ladies who job-share.

This is what the Fireams Manager rules required ....................

Remove furniture, send to proof house.

Get the rifle back, refit furniture, it now requires re-proofing.

Remove furniture, send to proof house ......................

Ad infinitum.

Bristol, back when it was Avon & Somerset required "an essential part of the mechanism" be removed & "stored in a separate, locked container."(from the firearms locked storage container)

Bolt wasn't specifically mentioned but it was the most common item removed & stored separately.

There was a "strong suggestion" that the container should not be capable of being easily removed from its storage place.

Ammo also had to be in a "Secure Container", again no "safe" mentioned.

I had this giant, ancient oak wardrobe. It literally had to be dismantled to get it out of the room, round the "U" turn at the top of the stairs to get it out of the house.

One end was a 2-position rifle rack lockable & bolted within the locked wardrobe, it had a chain that padlocked both rifles to it.

There were 3 large ammo cans in there, each bolted through the monstrous 1" thick "floor" with carriage bolts (coach bolts), with washers & fender washers on the inside & outside, the he nuts were steel filled epoxied to the bolt threads through the bottoms. The hex nut inside the domed head outside under the plank floor. Each had a padlock hasp & combination lock securing the lid.

I loved it when we got a "New Guy" do the random semi-annual inspection.

 They always tried to pick the cans up & "tut tut" me for "insecure storage". They thought they were lifting an ammo can, not a giant fortified Victorian monster wardrobe.

The law states that the storage must be secure, it does not say that an approved steel gunsafe must be used.

Father was in 'extended communication' and arguing the law with the regional Chief Constable when he had a very fortunate 'accident happen'.

Alongside the family farm were two roads that came down to a sharp bend & a junction, we often 'found' stuff that had fallen off trucks going around the corner with a bit too much speed.

Anyway, one day father found a steel box / case that had rolled into the field, - on opening it it contained pistols and ammunition.

The Police 'range' was about 5 miles up the road from us and it seems as if when they were packing up they had put the box on the roof of the car, forgotten it was there and until it got to 'our corner' it just sat on the roof.

Father took great delight in asking the Chief Of Police if he would care to come out and visit him to discuss firearm security, 

"O' and whilst you are here you can collect those pistols your officers lost last week"

Amazingly, Fathers licence was renewed and there was no more discussion about firearm storage.

im very sorry some of you dont have the freedoms we have , but im really happy we do [as immitted as they have become] i think everyone should have the same rights and be as free as we are , i also think our constitution has been infringed in that we cant own anything we want without paper , but thats another discussion altogether , 

im going to open my cabinet and dig out all of my 22s [quite a lot of them] for further inventory and cleaning tomorrow - that may take all day but ive nothing else to do , its winter here even tho its currently raining and may freeze in the night , not our regular feb and wont last long - i hope , 

im not trying to rub it in so much as to cmpare the difference between god given rights and government control - what we here are fighting every day , our forefathers had a great insight into the future , but i think they forgot to abolish lawyers , just my take , we shall see if we survive , i hope we do and they rest of you one day get to enjoy the same , OR NOT if thats what you choose 

I was "leant" to a different store  by the company I worked for. It was in Haslemere, Surrey. The house they arranged for me to have temporary accommodation in was one of those "Midsomer Murders rural mansions". It was owned by a widow of a retired military officer who'd passed away some years previously. She rented rooms to students & had 2 staff a gardiner/cook & a maid secretary. She did it "just to hear voices in the empty house"

They had a problem with nuisance deer (siki) which had been brought in, they were damaging trees by bark stripping & eating the vegetables from the garden.

A local Hunter from the village volunteered to "come up when he could" & did, but the deer never kept the appointment!

I mentioned That I could help as i was living there at the time, I just had to get "Avon & Somerset" to talk to "Surrey" constabulary to get my rifle there to be temporarily kept.

"No Need Old Chap, we have guns galore go & pick one"!

Oh Boy, did they ever!

My first & last "Gun Room" visit!

The walls were lined with oak  glass cabinets filled with mostly shotguns. The "cabinets below" held ammunition & handguns! I'm not saying it was huge but there was a full sized snooker (billiards) table in the center with room to play without being constricted!

They "got Away with it" because the room itself was solidly built & the doors both securely locked!

I had made up three batches of various bullet weights and carefully seated them 0.15 thou off the lands ready for a two hour booking at 200 yards at Bisley tomorrow. 

This was to try my 7.62mm No.4 which to date hasn't shown much promise due to an ill fitting fore end which has now been re-inletted and hopefully fixed.

Pleased with my reloading endeavours I put then in my (separate) ammunition cabinet and turned the key, only to hear a clunk from inside the cabinet before the key had fully turned.

Using a bit more force to try and unlock the cabinet the key shaft came out minus the key fitting itself!

Emailed the makers for suggestions regarding getting back into the cabinet but so far have had no response, I'll give it until this afternoon before resorting to my electric drill.

The good news is that I have ammunition in another cabinet for another rifle so I will get to shoot, but not the rifle I really wanted to shoot!  

 

Mick, that must be frustrating!  

How much time do these laws give you to lock up the ammunition?  As soon as one round is loaded? 15 minutes, 30 minutes after it’s loaded?  Do the reloading components have to be locked up too? A bit absurd…

Geoff, no time limit as such but everything has to be secure if you're out of the house, I seem to recall that the firearms act says you have to "be in control" of firearms & ammunition with other people around or some such? 

Components as far as I'm aware do not have be locked away...mine certainly aren't. 

I've drilled the lock but to no avail, just waiting to hear from the manufacturer (Brattonsound) before doing anything else, it would be nice to save the cabinet if possible because at £279 I really don't want to buy another. 

Tomorrow is now about reloaded 144gr RG bullets, some seated to the cannelure and the rest to magazine length. I picked 300 of these up the other day for peanuts and wondered if they would make a reasonable plinking round...not that I do much plinking these days!

Here in Canada, firearms and ammo must be locked away securely in separate cabinets, rooms, bomb shelters or what have you; as long as they are secure. Mine are. They are in a well locked room, with two entries, unlock enter, unlock enter. Inside my gun vault I have racks and cabinets, all locked.

While talking to an OPP officer, I posed a hypothetical Q, what happens if it`s broken into and stuff goes missing.

His response was, in all likely hood you`d be arrested for having unsecured firearms and other controlled items!!!......................

Hows that for being an upstanding law abiding F--king Canadian!!!! Really really starting to hate this reality we call Canada, we`re set up for failure right from the get go.

I don't think so; I'm seeing some shooting friends tomorrow for advice before I get the angle grinder out. 

Premier brand of secure cabinet comes complete with a cheap key! 

As posted a while back, new to this forum, help in obtaining a Cno7 Extractor for my .22 trainer Long Branch.

You/we have a Dimond of a guy on this forum Geoff, he identified the extractor exactly and gave some alternative suggestions as to what might be the problem (as did many of you) 

He suggested I PM him , well once I got to grips with what PM was I did.

The Generosity of this Man is overwhelming, he had a spare and sent me it completely free of charge.

Now I’m not suggesting sending begging requests, because its glaringly obvious he’s a very genuine generous man, the knowledge he brings to this forum from what I’ve seen so far is invaluable.

Can’t thank him enough, from a very happy Brit and eternally grateful.