What did I break and how?
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Topic: What did I break and how?
Posted By: mattri
Subject: What did I break and how?
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 4:53am
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Took the bolt out of my Enfield and now it won't go back in.
It seems the bolthead is loose from the bolt body. When the bolthead is snugged up it does not align with the bolt body and will not go into the action at all. When the bolthead is allowed to align with the bolt body it slides into the action but the bolt will not close.
A)what would cause this? B) how to repair?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 5:02am
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Screw the bolt head all the way down, then back off just enough to align it with the upper bolt body rib and insert into the action body, that should be just a very slight adjustment, not a full turn. The bolt head should be slightly past the bolt body rib when turned all the way in.
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 5:28am
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Thanks for the reply- that is what I have done but the bolt will not close, it stops right before the bolt can turn all the way into the receiver, hopefully that shows in the pic.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 6:05am
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Do you have more than one LE? Any chance the bolts got interchanged? Can’t think of another reason.
The photo looks pretty small, looks to be a sportered No. 1 SMLE, is that right? Looks like the bolt is not turning very far either.
Try pulling back the trigger while you insert and lock the bolt.
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 6:24am
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This is the only rifle I have.
The bolt was cycling fine right before this happened.
It really is very strange it seems like bolt head can't go into the chamber enough to allow the bolt body to clear the back of the receiver. I've tried pulling the trigger, moving the safety, pulling back on the cocking handle etc and it just won't go. I also triple checked no obstruction in the chamber.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 7:12am
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Remove the bolt head and try it.
Nothing lodged up into the breech? Nothing in the barrel? Extractor or extractor spring broken/bent?
Running out of ideas…
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 7:29am
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Do you mean take the bolt head off and see if the bolt body will fully insert into receiver?
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Posted By: DarioPirovano
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 7:44am
I had the same problem with a no.4 and the cocking piece sear broke inside the receiver blocking the bolt.
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 7:48am
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Ugh I was afraid of something like that. Were you able to find a replacement?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 9:16am
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Can you remove the bolt?
Never seen a cocking piece break like that. Can’t imagine how that would happen.
Yes, if you can remove the bolt, look for an obstruction, from a foreign object or broken part. See if the bolt locks with the bolt head removed. Check the extractor and extractor spring to be sure they are not bent or broken.
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 9:32am
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Yes the bolt slides in and out of the receiver easily, it's just the last fraction of an inch that the bolt doesn't go into the chamber area to allow the bolt to fully close.
No obstruction of any kind.
Bolt was cycling perfectly 5 min before this happened.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:02am
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Just for grins, try it without the bolt head. Then if it locks, try again with the bolt head attached, but move the bolt head around with your thumb, try pushing down and then side to side as you try and lock the bolt.
Did you look closely at the extractor and spring? Does the extractor engage with the slot in the barrel and get crammed over to the right as you rotate the bolt?
Something must have changed… but what?
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Posted By: DarioPirovano
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:04am
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:52am
Is the cocking piece aligned?
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:54am
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If the cocking piece weren't aligned or the safety engaged wouldn't that prevent the bolt from sliding into the receiver, or is there another piece?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:57am
DarioPirovano wrote:
Geoff, the safety lever |
Having a hard time seeing that. If the safety is engaged, the bolt will not insert into the action body at all. Lever must be forward. Once the bolt is inserted, rotating the lever a small amount doesn’t prevent the bolt from locking, but rotating it a fair bit will prevent the bolt from moving at all as the Safety Catch drags on the bolt body.
I’ve been trying this on my No. 1 skeleton action, can’t get the bolt to not lock fully as long as it can be inserted into the action.
You could try removing the safety entirely, perhaps something there is bent/distorted?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 12:00pm
mattri wrote:
If the cocking piece weren't aligned or the safety engaged wouldn't that prevent the bolt from sliding into the receiver, or is there another piece?
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Correct, safety lever must be forward and cocking piece lug in the rear of the cam slot. Once it’s inserted, I can’t see how the safety can prevent the bolt from locking.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 1:39pm
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Check the sear isn't hung up or jammed. Pull the bolt then while looking down into the rear of the bolt raceway pull & release the trigger several times. You should see the top of the sear rise up into & drop back down below the bolt raceway.
Did you remove the trigger guard from the stock? If you did maybe the trigger & sear are swapped for position.
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Posted By: DarioPirovano
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 1:59pm
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It is a mistery, last thing I did at the range was engaging the safety to prevent bolt opening, when arrived at home to clean the rifle I couldn’t close the bolt and after removing it I found the cocking piece broken, it was probably already cracked by inspecting the steel.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 2:11pm
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Odd thing is it appears that the bolt is going in all the way to the point of just turning into the locking lugs, so well past the point where the cocking piece contacts the sear.
With the bolt out of the action, can you turn the cocking piece such that the small lug on the bottom of the cocking piece rides in the cam slot? Perhaps it’s broken or jammed here?
A mystery so far.
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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 6:43pm
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Make sure the safety is assembled correctly.
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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 6:54pm
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Is the bolt head correctly in the track/raceway when inserting the bolt? When you insert the bolt line the head up with the little spring, looks like a button, push down on the the bolt head then push the bolt in. If it's not riding in it track it won't close properly.
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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 6:59pm
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Without the charger on the rifle it's easy to miss the pushing down the bolt head in the track/raceway. Just a thought based on what I see in your pic.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 09 2024 at 7:00pm
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Look at the removed bolt from the front. Is the extractor spring sticking out? Is there tension on the extractor claw? If the "U" spring broke (a common problem) it could be causing the problem you describe?
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 10 2024 at 4:01am
shiloh wrote:
Without the charger on the rifle it's easy to miss the pushing down the bolt head in the track/raceway.Just a thought based on what I see in your pic. |
I didn’t think of this. The only No. 1 action I have is a skeletonized action and you cannot insert the bolt without first engaging the bolt head into the track.
On this rifle that has had the charger bridge machined away, you can probably get the bolt in without engaging the bolt head into the track first, and then the extractor does not line up with he slot cut into the back of the barrel.
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 10 2024 at 4:44am
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Thanks everyone for all the great replies and suggestions.
Good news- the bolt now goes back in all the way!
Last night I thoroughly cleaned the rifle, broke the bolt down and cleaned/soaked everything really well. Looks as though the rifle hadn't been deep cleaned in a long time. Flushed out a fair amount of crud and can only guess that something had accumulated/stuck somewhere to cause the bind. Maybe if I had really bashed in the bolt it would have closed anyway but glad I didn't force it and everything works again now.
Thanks again, Matt.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 10 2024 at 4:55am
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Glad you have it working now, don’t think we were much help to you!
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Posted By: mattri
Date Posted: May 10 2024 at 12:06pm
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You kept me on the right track and kept me from making it worse, that's a lot👍
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 10 2024 at 12:36pm
Great news!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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