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Topic: Dark Blue World
Posted By: G*MAN
Subject: Dark Blue World
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 11:02am
Hi Chaps;
There is a film you might like if you like Spits and motorcycles and if you can find and old tape copy.   It's called Dark Blue World, made in 2001 and its about the Czech pilots that faught for Britain during WWII.  The action scenes rival any you will get from Hollywood.  There is a caveat though, It's mostly subtitled save some of the Brit scenes and of course the machinegun fire.  If subtitles put you off, you will miss one of the best WWII stories around, because it is based on actual people and events.  I was smart enough to get a tape copy made from the video store before the CD switch over.  I have loaned it to several friends and their very positive reactions never fails. Good luck and you might try http://www.DARKBLUEWORLD.com - www.DARKBLUEWORLD.com .  Its on the tape package. I checked  it out and the site is crammed with cool stuff. 


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 9:56pm
You wanna see a good flick-check out KOKODA
Hoadie

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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 10:13pm
I'm all about some good aerial Combat !!! 


Posted By: G*MAN
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 12:26am

Thanks Hoadie.  I found the web site and ran the slide show after reading the history etc..  Great !  Now I have to find a source for the tape or CD.



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Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 12:33pm
+ 1 about kokoda

Respect for the diggers and chockos up there on the kokoda track that were the only thing standing between the Japanese Army and Australia.


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But the winters coming,

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- Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End


Posted By: allan
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 2:05pm
im with Hoadie and Hatchet..KOKODA this is a MUST see film about our diggers.
as Hoadie once commented about the Japs being a silent,mostly  unseen enemy in the jungles of PNG. bloody great movie!


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Posted By: G*MAN
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 11:48pm
Yes well, I am with you if I can find this flick.  Also, I think we yanks had a couple of tussles like Iwo  and Saipan.  Enough of that though.  You chaps in the land down under might be able to help me find a couple of other films.  I would like to find a copy of "THE LIGHT HORSEMEN"  and a flick about a raid that started out from Darwin, I think, and ended in Singapore.  They used mini-subs to sneak into Singapore harbor and creat havoc with the Japanese ships.  The mini-subs were secured under the "fishing boats" they used  as their disguise craft, for the initial trip.  A precarious trip at best as i recall.  Then, Its been at least 20 years since I saw this story on local public TV.  Any help would be appeciated.   How did I get from Czechoslovakia to Singapore without refueling?

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Posted By: allan
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 4:20pm
will look around the video shops tomorrow for "The Highest Honor" mate
i cant find it online....


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:01am
GMan-Allan is a GREAT source for docos.He sent me a copy of The Lighthorsemen...great addition to the library
(Bribe him, mate!Instant grits works!)
Hoadie

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Posted By: allan
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 7:35am
LOL 
mmmm grits,
 at this moment money is scarce with the wife not workin and all, if i aquire a copy ill fling it across Gman. ive still got a pack here for Hoadie that ive been buildin for 6 months..just gotta fill the box to economise the the postage.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 2:24pm
Al: Thats the same problem I have! Coyurse If I dont get it out in the next week or so-you wont get it before Christmas!!
Hoadie

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Posted By: Tikirocker
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 6:43am

Dark Blue World is a great film ... they've played it a few times on SBS and I've seen it a few times in the local DVD stores ( they're not video stores anymore I guess ) ... when I was a kid I used to go to the Duxford airshows religiously to see Spits, Hurricanes, ME-109's, Lancs etc etc etc ... couldn't ever get enough.

An interesting note is that the story about the two Polish pilots in Dark Blue World is not true ... it was actually two British pilots that the original story was REALLY about ... they both fell in love with the same woman etc and neither survived the war.

As to The Light Horse ... great film and I spent 4 hours the other day talking to the bloke who was the armoror ( Supplied all weapons and military gear/uniforms on set ) for not only that film but also Gallipoli and Breaker Morant + many many more.

I personally didn't like Kokoda to be quite honest ... I thought the portrayal of the Chocks to be quite inaccurate to be honest - it looked great as a film but I thought the story was limp and it was a missed opportunity.


Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 7:49am
I still have not seen that movie. I may go to the local rental place and see it is there tonight


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 11:06am
ya may have a time findin KOKODA in the States..its an Aussie flic.Hollywood dont like competition
Hoadie

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Posted By: allan
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 4:11pm
when i first heard that Kokoda was coming out i really had high expectations, it felt short and just did not have the action i though it wouldve\ shouldve..but hey..bottom line is it didnt have the budget of a squillion dollars like Hollywood movies, but it still is a very good film to see in my eyes.
what part of the portrayal of the chockos did you feel to be inaccurate Tikirocker?
under prepared?, under trained? hastily grouped "civilians" ? thrown against a crack- jungle elite Japanese force that was unstopable through their island hopping fiasco, that finaly met determination..the rest is history.
 i have trainning  booklets that were issued to our Aussie troops in PNG,
 i gave one of my better condition booklet to the local RSL for their display.


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Posted By: Tikirocker
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 4:51pm

Allan,

The budget didn't matter and shouldn't matter - the bloke who I'm buying gear from was the Armourer for Gallipoli, Breaker Morant and The Light Horse ... guess what the budget for Breaker Morant was?

$750, 000 AUD in 1980 ... with 4 weeks lead time for weapons and uniform prep! I saw that film on thje big screen when it first came out  with my old man and it blew me away! Same goes for Gallipoli ... only that time they had 6 weeks lead time and not much more of a budget.

I took issue with the way they portrayed the Chocs as a frightened shambolic bunch of chooks with their heads cut off; they were far from it and far better than that film made them out to be. I felt that when the final time came for a battle scene showdown with the Nips there were only about 6 Japs coming out of the scrub and most of the scenes were shown from the perspective of the Aussies shooting from cover and essentially there was no real essence of a battle scene at all ... a totally missed opportunity. I could go on and on about things that left me cold with that film ... I'd rather watch the Odd Angry Shot than that ... but the most annoying thing for me was just the limp portrayal of the chocs ... they were stiffer than made out and that for me was a real dissapointment. The point was they were called Choc's but they proved to be nothing of the sort ... the film totally MISSED that point altogether. Confused

Cheers.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 11:37pm
Well-I liked it.I found the shadowy world of the jungle to be very suspenseful,& the "did I see that-or didnt I?" scenarios interesting.It certainly didnt have the blow-'em up/ in your face combat scenes that Hollywood usually has.
I found it different & a very good movie.Al was good enough to send me a copy-& I've lent it out many times already.Everyone I've lent it to likes it alot.
Different tastes,I guess
Hoadie

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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 11:46pm
Sounds like a movie I need to see. and maybe add to my colection. will have to get the Wife on that. She usually finds Me Movies that I like and cant get at Block-Busters.  Like some of Terrance Hill's stuff he acted in..

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Posted By: allan
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 12:53pm
WR- i grew up on Terrence Hill movies (my dad was-is a huge fan). who was that BIGGG!!!!!  bloke that was always his side kick?? man they were some funny vids. i especially remember there was always a fight scene, and that big lad used to just pound em on their head.
 


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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 1:19pm
OH yea! I know what Ya mean .... kind of stupid fight sceans but Oh Well .
The one that He was Nobody was the Best with the Catfish scene at the begining.... Great!!!!
 


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"Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields


Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 1:21pm
Oh, The Side kick was --- Bud Spencer..... Allen. TTYL...

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"White Rhino"

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 3:01pm
Probably the most forgotten action in New Guinea was Milne Bay !  Admiral Yamamoto  Stated after the Action that the Australians had put the first nick in the Imperial Battle sword in 2000 yrs !

   

The Battle for Milne Bay was one of the two land battles that saved Port Moresby and secured Australia from the threat of invasion. Although arguably less well known than the famous defence of the http://www.defence.gov.au/army/AHU/HISTORY/Battles/Kokoda.htm - Kokoda Track , the Australian victory at Milne Bay was significant for two very important reasons. The first was that the Japanese attempt to outflank the defenders of the Track and take Port Moresby from the east failed. The second reason the defenders of Milne Bay are deservedly remembered is that they inflicted on the Japanese their first defeat on land. The impact on Allied morale of such a feat cannot be underestimated.

The Japanese attack on Milne Bay occurred for a number of reasons. When the earlier amphibious invasion was foiled by the Battle of the Coral Sea, the Japanese resorted to land attacks. The major assault, across the Owen Stanley Ranges via the Kokoda Track, was progressing only slowly in the harsh terrain, difficult resupply conditions and in the face of vigorous Australian resistance. The Japanese decided on an ambitious outflanking manoeuvre with another thrust from the eastern end of PNG, from Milne Bay. The discovery that the Allies were constructing airfields there also encouraged the Japanese to undertake the operation. (The airfields, which were to play a central role in the battle, experienced their first air raid on 4th August.) The Japanese also planned to base air and naval assets in Milne Bay to support operations both on Kokoda and east into the islands.

The shape of Milne Bay and the terrain around it were important factors affecting the conduct of the battle. Milne Bay, some 30 kilometres long by 12 to 15 kilometres wide with very deep water, cuts directly across the narrow New Guinea coastal plain, forming a barrier to movements around the tip of PNG. The Bay itself has only a one to one and a half kilometre coastal fringe of thick jungle. On the northern side of a Bay, a poor track allowed some land movement, unlike on the southern side where the Stanley Range met the water in a series of impassable ridges and gorges. Although, at the western or inner end of the Bay, near Gili Gili, the flat lands were sufficient to permit several dispersed airfields to be constructed, no one thought Milne Bay was a good place in which to conduct military operations.

The strategic importance of the Bay was understood by both sides. In addition to the 7th Australian Infantry Brigade (a Militia Brigade) that had been in the area from July, the Australians reinforced the garrison with the veteran 18th Brigade, defenders of Tobruk, in mid August. There were also over 1300 US airfield construction engineers. Together, these troops made up 'Milne Force'. For once the Japanese, rather than General Macarthur, underestimated the size of the opposition. Japanese intelligence estimated only two or three companies were in the area, which explains the relatively small size of the invasion force - about 2,000 marines and some light tanks.

The battle began in the late evening of 25th August, when the Japanese landed between Wahahuba and Ahioma. (They had intended to land further west near Rabi, this error forcing their troops to cross an additional 11 kilometres of the appalling terrain.) Although well supported by naval gunfire, the Japanese were forced to fight hard to make progress. Troops from two Militia Battalions of the 7th Brigade, the 61st and the 25th, contested the landings (especially near K. B. Mission), causing heavy casualties. However, reinforced by another 800 Marines and with strong naval support, the Japanese began to make a steady advance westward along the coastal track. The presence of two light tanks and the Japanese use of night attacks tended to disrupt the Australian defenders who conducted a fighting retreat back to No. 3 airstrip, where the Japanese were again held on the night of the 27th.

There was lull in the fighting until a determined attack on No. 3 strip was launched in the early hours of the 31st of August. Although the Japanese launched 3 massed charges, the Australian infantry, together with troops from the US 43rd Engineer Regiment, held firm. Making no progress, dawn saw the Japanese withdraw, having lost many men to machine guns and artillery fire. At 9.00 am, the Australians launched a counter-attack, initially using one of the AIF Battalions, the 2/12th but joined later by companies from the 2/9th Battalion. Although the enemy fought fierce rear-guard actions, over the next five days, the Australians drove the Japanese back over ten kilometres. Resistance hardened when the Japanese were pushed back to their landing point. The 2/9th Battalion, in hard fighting that saw the Corporal J.A. French win the Victoria Cross, eventually penetrated the enemy base area. The effect of this was to convince the Japanese to withdraw and between 3rd and 6th September, the Japanese marines were withdrawn. For the first time, a Japanese amphibious landing had been resisted and repelled.

It is easy to look at the superiority of numbers enjoyed by the defenders as reasons for this unexpected success but that misrepresents the significance of this battle. Despite superior Allied troop numbers, Malaya and Singapore had fallen without trouble. The deep water in the Bay was a major advantage to the Japanese, possessing as they did complete maritime superiority at night. This enabled them to provide strong naval support to the invasion force while also offering tactical mobility along the coast. The Allied Command could not ignore the threat of a landing behind established defensive lines. Nor could it ignore the threat to their northern flanks, and many of General Clowes' superior numbers were tied up guarding these vulnerable lines of approach. It was not clear to the Australian command at the time that the Japanese on the coastal strip were the only enemy involved in the operation. The Japanese also possessed armour, which complicated the defence problem for the Australian commander. The advantage largely lay with the Japanese but, for the first time, they failed to capitalise on it.

The Australians had some advantages as well. After the initial shock of the landing, the Australians used the appalling terrain to their advantage in constructing strong defensive positions. The Japanese were unable to unhinge the Australian positions, as they had done before, by infiltrating through the jungle around strong points. But perhaps the most important, and most obvious, advantage enjoyed by the Australians was local air superiority over the battlefield during the day. This provided the ground troops with immediate close air support, attacking troop formations, supply dumps and artillery positions. It also negated the Japanese naval superiority and thus gained the defenders relief during daylight hours from the threat of naval gunfire support. The RAAF contribution to the final victory cannot be understated. Their pilots took off when the enemy was firing on the airstrip - they pressed home almost suicidal attacks and operated beyond the point of exhaustion. Milne Bay was a perfect lesson in the effectiveness of air support to the land battle.

The cost to both sides was high. The Australians suffered 373 casualties, including 167 killed in action. The US forces had 14 killed in the fierce defence of the airfield. For the Japanese, the cost was far higher. Of the 2,800 troops landed, fewer than 1320 were evacuated. They lost both their tanks. More importantly for the Japanese however, was the shattering of the myth of invulnerability that had been their ally in all their operations up to then.


         Dave



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