Purists look away
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Topic: Purists look away
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Purists look away
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 12:20am
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Gentlemen ! I have noticed that people are almost scared of ,posting ideas involving anything but the Lee Enfield in it's standard form! I'm here to challenge that idea ! Now whilst it's good to have rifles in their original state Personally all my enfields are sporterized & always have been as they are working rifles! I have stressed in the past that nobody blinks a eyelid at the thought of a Mauser or Styer or even a Manlicher being sporterized or converted to another caliber ! How many Springfield's have under gone this transformation ? Look at the beautiful work done by Parker Hale ,yrs ago reburnishing .303's? What about the Aussie Gunsmith's who after WW2 ,who had the brains & Guts to develop what went from being wild cats to commercial to admittedly Semi obsolete rounds like the 270-303 ,25-303,243-303 ? No I say Yes ! There is a place for collectors with Lee Enfields & I feel the is a need to preserve these rifles for Generations to come! But I also believe,there is a obligation to use these actions to make sturdy hunting rifles !!!!!!!! Dave |
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Posted By: Kodiac400
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 8:00am
| I agree Dave. Until I started doing alot of reading/research on Enfields the only rifles I've ever seen around have been sporterized. I could go out and purchase a new rifle if I wanted to but I'd rather keep Enfield legacy alive. I want to prove to the locals that my rifle may be getting old but theres lots of life left in her. |
Posted By: oldbikewrench
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 12:12pm
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I would never take an original rifle or one that had been FTR'd and sporterize.
Because there are so many that have already been sporterized, butcherd, modified etc... that I don't have to mess with an original.
And there are even receivers for sale to be found all over the place just waiting for a good home.
Now I have two sporterized rifles coming in, a No1 MkIII and a No4 Mk1, that because they are so close to being in original condition that I will be putting them back to original condition and that ought to be fun to do.
Enfields Rock! ------------- Love your neighbor as yourself.'...Mark12:31 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke22:36 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 12:42pm
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This is what I'm getting at ! there are many bubba type enfields out there & these are ideal for shooter's to experiment with ! Dave |
Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: October 04 2008 at 11:55am
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I agree dave. The Lee Enfield makes a great sporter and there are so many already cut down, why not make what you want out of one of those.
After the war they were basically giving them away and the idea was always get one and cut the forend off, throw away all the bits you didnt need and you are away with a brand new sporter.
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 04 2008 at 11:20pm
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Yep Lithy-U R right.After the festivities of 39 to 45 they we're giving them away.On Younge St.-downtown Toronto I remember barrels full of Enfields,sitting out front of stores(this wud be in the early to mid 60's)with signs attached:"YOUR CHOICE $15.00".(Here in St.Catharines they were slightly more...$18 - $20.But it wasnt Gun Shops selling them..it was every little mom & pop harware store!!(Course back then everyone usually went to the hardware store to fix,repair,buy,or get parts for their shootin irons.
Oh! for the good old days! Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 05 2008 at 1:55pm
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I date back to the basic tool kit for a Enfield was a Hack saw blade & a triangular file!!!!! We'd buy em as full wood & then cut the wood back according to taste ! The bedding was achieved with a piece of car inner tube as I've described else where! a Dab of solder or Braze on the fore sight was filed down to get the rifle shooting roughly to original ! The top price paid for a Enfield was about $20.00 & a Parker hale rebuild was about $50.00 !!!! Dave |
Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: October 05 2008 at 6:17pm
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My dad used to buy a crate of 8 for 8 pounds and turn them into range rifles and sell them for 8 pounds each.
Or he would cut the wood off and sell them as a sporter for 2 pounds.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 05 2008 at 9:21pm
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My First Enfield which I still own ! (a 1902) I paid the princely price of 15 shillings !!!!!! My Old man near killed me ! Dave |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 06 2008 at 12:49am
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I agree.
While it's a shame to sporterize an as-issued rifle, in good condition, I don't have any problem with improving a pre-bubbized one!
There are so many that have already been modified those make perfect candidates for an Enfield-based sporter.
As an example, one of the guys I was in the Ozarks with did a great job of cleaning up & re-finishing a rusty wreck he found in a pawn shop locally.
There was no original fininsh left & the whole thing looked like hell.
Now it's a good-looking rifle, even if the finish isn't original.
(Actually I'm mad at him as the rifle he got is a #4 Mk1, with a 5 or 6 groove barrel that shoots like a dream!) Mine is a #4 Mk1* with a 2-groove barrel.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 06 2008 at 4:04am
| i agree dave , and oldbikewrench summed up my thoughts as well , ive been thinking of picking up such remains and working up a hobby gun or two , for cheap , for fun , for plinking and perhaps for sale |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 06 2008 at 6:51am
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This is my opinion.
I have no issues to repair or improve an existing sporterized or bubberized rifle. I do however under normal circumstances would not deface an original rifle.
The few exceptions would be taking a non-shooting wall hanger Rife with minimal historical value and returning it to operational status
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Posted By: mathd
Date Posted: October 07 2008 at 12:13am
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Mine been sporterized but not much. I am sure the barrel is still to its full lenght and did not being cut. The only thing they did to my enfield (i think)is to set a sporterized stock. I think there is not any rifle out there that have a better look thant that lol a no4 mk1 with a sporter stock. The thing that bother me the most is the unmatching parts number :( but i have to do with it, i have get it as is and it was proibably the only one i could get locally. Also, if i had one in original condition, I would keep it 100% original even if i think they are ugly with the original stock lol. ------------- Mathieu |
Posted By: wolfie1
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 7:35am
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I just had to chime in on this one.
Original Enfield #4MK1 ugly??????? They aren't ugly, they are classics....lol.
I bought my first 303 five years ago from a sale out of the Knoxville Armory. A gunsmith friend of mine found it for me and ordered it. I wanted the elevated rear sight on it, but they didn't offer any so I settled for the peep sight. When I recieved it, I hadn't realized that this was a WW2 surplus that was stored since the end of the war. It was still in the original shipping container until it was sold. It has a proof date of 1944. The stock had darked from the packing grease that was used to ship it to the United States, but was still in excellent condition. The only thing I did to it was to build a side mount scope mount for it. Now that I found this site, I'm sorry I didn't keep it original. I paid $147 US including shipping for it. If I ever get a chance to grab another one like that on a deal like that, I think I'd sell on of my kidneys to pay for it if I had to. It is the BEST gun I have ever owned. BTW, mine is a Lee-Enfield #4Mk1. ------------- Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome the vote |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 8:28am
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They're still being issued to troops @ this date.
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: yumastepside
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 10:10am
How about some pics of your best sporter or working Enfield ??
........work in progress......still  ------------- roger |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 9:38pm
| That is not a bad looking project, keep us apprised of your progress. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 9:39pm
| Wolfie1 I see you mentioned Knoxville, are you in TN. ? |
Posted By: wolfie1
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 7:15am
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Cookie Monster
I am from South Dakota. A gunsmith friend of mine recieved a sale brochure from a company that had bought a large lot from the Knoxville Armory and bought 4 rifles from the lot for his customers. They shipped it direct from the armory.
As for my gunsmith friend, he's a really nice guy, but the only thing I have against him is he's a Nagant fan....  . Can't deal with him anymore since he moved to Missouri, but he can built beautiful rifles from those old Nagants.------------- Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome the vote |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 8:22pm
| Nagant Fan.........Oh no if Old Biker Wrench finds out. |
Posted By: yumastepside
Date Posted: December 19 2009 at 8:00am
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......just thought I'd get this thread jumpstarted again.......I find it very hard to find any pics or info on LE sporter stocks. They all seem to be cut dowm mils or that old '70s style Parker Hale , monte carlo, triangular fore end style.
How about some decent looking stock to rival the mausers ?? 
I'd like a DGR/safari style stock for my 45-70 Mk 1/111 project.  ------------- roger |
Posted By: Hugo Steiglitz
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 10:55am
Now there's some beautiful rifles, Yuma. ------------- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. |
Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 5:26pm
| The buttstock on the No.1 in the center is a really nice piece. I'd like to find one like it should I ever finish up my Lithgow sporter project rifle. That No.1 looks like a factory, or custom gunmaker job, more refined than a home done job. |
Posted By: yumastepside
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 5:31am
............how about this Lon Paul custom in 348 win.
Thanks to Phil in Alaska for the pic. ------------- roger |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 11:16pm
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the only "project rifle" i have wont look too far from original arsenal configuration , and its not an enfield , it is actualy a "springfield" type rifle , i took a remington M1903A3 that had been bubba'd into an A4 forgery and converted it to 22cal , that because the bubba made some serious errors and turned the 3006 into an unsafe rifle just waiting to injure or maim some poor shooter , i like the idera of having the A4gery in my collection as ill never fork over for a real A4 and i like having a functioning rifle , i also really like 22s http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/?action=view¤t=mikestackle067.jpg">  http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/?action=view¤t=mikestackle070.jpg">  http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/?action=view¤t=mikestackle071.jpg">  http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/?action=view¤t=mikesslings021.jpg">  http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/?action=view¤t=mikesrifles059.jpg">  |
Posted By: yumastepside
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 4:47am
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........love the old 'scope, what is it ? ------------- roger |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 12:19pm
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my guess is Weaver....followed by Redfield
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Posted By: yumastepside
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 2:09pm
This is a Mk 111 I picked up and rebarrelled with a Mauser 7x57 barrel.Its as acquired except for the barrel.....
I used it like this for a few years, then the other day I got the bug to play with it a bit.... 
I picked up a scope mount at a gun show last weekend for $30, rings for $45 and the scpoes a Leupld m8 2.5x compact I got at a garage sale for........$5 I use standard S&B 7X57R in it.....still got some work to do on the stock ( fore end tip is felt marker..  ) and a buttplate, but its coming along
Roger ------------- roger |
Posted By: Story
Date Posted: January 05 2012 at 2:19am
Are you my twin? A long-lost brother? Thinking on my frequency? http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/Storyforu/Lee_speedBSAOfficerNo2copy.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/Storyforu/Lee_speedBSAOfficerNo2copy.jpg "> See here http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/topic/11185/BSA-Lee-Speed-Officer-s-Carbine-copy" rel="nofollow - http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/topic/11185/BSA-Lee-Speed-Officer-s-Carbine-copy
I've acquired a Martini handguard since that photo was taken, and have yet to slim down the ebony endcap and pin it to the foreend. |
yumastepside wrote:Posted By: Rumpelhardt
Date Posted: June 13 2012 at 9:19pm
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Best looking N04 sporter ever!!    |
Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 4:53pm
Oh yes! That is a worthwhile mod. Here's one of mine. That is a suppressor on the barrel. The bore is so badly rust damaged it will only shoot with custom sized paper patch bullets. This one has a new No4 barrel fitted. I made that fore-end from a log - well, piece of walnut I bought. I gave it a linseed oil finish. It's my first 303 of 1902 vintage. The action is untouched. (The scope mount is soft soldered on).  ------------- 303Guy |
Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 4:58pm
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7x57 Lee Enfield. Yes! I've been toying with that idea for quite a while.
This is a neat rifle.  ------------- 303Guy |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 12:33am
| yup weaver 330 |
Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 4:08am
25-303 built by Sportco Australia. ------------- 303Guy |
Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: September 08 2012 at 1:06am
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303 Guy is that a suppressor on this last pic.? and on the 3rd last pic ,the one with the monte carlo stock I really like the front stock on it,is that a local design ? can one order it?
thanks.
Rob. ------------- A true measure of a man is not how he act's when thing's are going well.But how he act's when things are going Bad. R.S.G. |
Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: September 08 2012 at 10:21am
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Yes it is.
This one has a suppressor too. It's not the barrel you see, it's the suppressor. The stock is an off the shelf item. The fore-end is silly heavy and I'm taking it off to replace with a sporterized one I have. The but-stock in this picture is the same one shown on the other rifle. I just swap them around when I need to. I do plan on making a but-stock for this one and I have a fore-end stub I'll be fitting to this rifle.
------------- 303Guy |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: September 08 2012 at 11:29am
LOL ASquare.....I guessed what scope you had in March 2010 and you let us know in August 2012  At least I was right!! ------------- Get some |
Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: September 10 2012 at 3:36pm
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You know, this has just got to be the sexiest Lee Enfield out there! ------------- 303Guy |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 11 2012 at 1:13am
| it is a handsome little critter , |
Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 7:29am
| Where can I get a mannlicher fore stock??? |
Posted By: Jorge in Oz
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 9:05am
Here is a No4 in 303-270 I just bought a couple of months ago. Yet to fit a 3-9x40 Leupold Vari II scope and develop some loads for it. It will be my go to Sambar deer rifle from now on. Bore is pristine. |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 12:30pm
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I saw a YouTube video about fitting a Remington 870 "tactical" butt stock to a Jungle Carbine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uevC5h0A500&list=TLsvm4r_uV8wU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uevC5h0A500&list=TLsvm4r_uV8wU Surprisingly few modifications were necessary. I consider it ugly with the pistol grip and all, but made me wonder about swapping out a regular butt stock with an 870 folding stock to have in the truck for moose season. I might try it sometime.
------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: Rastis
Date Posted: October 16 2013 at 6:05pm
My 1918 Lithgow Sporter.
 ------------- Rule .303 |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:11am
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I like it- a lot. Interested in the muzzle brake... Not a .303?
------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: Rastis
Date Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:38am
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G'Day,
The brake is part of the barrel. Its a one off done for sh*ts and giggles. Works fine but totally useless in the real world. To much noise and blast, especially with the barrel only being about 18 inches long. Still chambered in 303. ------------- Rule .303 |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 20 2013 at 3:55pm
LOST KANGAROO , "...LOL ASquare.....I guessed what scope you had in March 2010 and you let us know in August 2012  At least I was right!!..." yes indeed , and i no longer have any but one of my american military rifles any more , all reside with friends or relatives , except my 1892/96 krag and the four bayonets , i sometimes miss shooting them and often kick myself for divesting but in the end we all do what we feel is right no matter how painful ................
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Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 26 2013 at 2:15pm
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I don't want to get involved in any arguments with the "purists" on here but I have always thought extremely highly of the Lee Enfield 303 since I was big enough to hold one back in the early 1960s. Since then I have had a number of (Hunting) rifles of all different calibres - The biggest up to now was my customised P14 in .243 which was fitted with a sound moderatro (Perfectly legal here in the UK as long as it is registered on your Firearms Certificate) which I used for deer stalking and Park (Deer) Culling.
However a couple of weeks ago I came across a Lee Enfield Number 4 Mk1 in a gun shop that i have been designing a web site for and fell in love with the rifle straight away. The rifle has been "sporterised" (I believe by Parker Hale) and is a real dream to handle. I have fitted it with a cheap set of 8X56 scopes that I keep as "stand by scopes" till I can save up for a good quality set for it. Even with these scopes I can get a 1" group at 100 yards using S&B 180g (Factory Loaded) ammunition. I expect to get this group a little tighter when I have developed a "hunting load" for the rifle using something like 150G Sierra Softpoints.
Anyway in the hope that i am not going to upset the purists too much here are a couple of photos of my Sporterised Number 4 Mk1!   ------------- Wounding is not an option! |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: November 28 2013 at 5:11am
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Very classic. ------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 28 2013 at 1:20pm
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no need for arguements with purists .... we have an area for the sported rifles and many of these have historical roots we all respect , i personally respect a decent sported rifle for what it is i just do not condone new sporting of vintage rifles that are in their original configuration , there are plenty of parts and previously sported versions to play with , your rifle is a very nice example
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Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 28 2013 at 3:48pm
Thank you very much for your comment. As a new member I was being a little "tactfull" in my choice of words there! I have to admit that when done "thoughtfully" a Lee Enfield can make what looks like a very nice sporting rifle even though in its original configuration it really is about the most Classic and Iconic rifles of all times and the majority of them should be restored (If necessary) and kept as original as possible as a reminder of the true history of war time firearms throughout the world.
Just out of interest, does anyone know roughly how mane Lee Enfield 303s were made throughout the world in total? ------------- Wounding is not an option! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 28 2013 at 5:34pm
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that is an interesting question , there have been millions made over the years , it is only when you narrow the era that you will recieve an accurate count - that assuming there were records and depending on the era - the documents are missing , please know you are welcome as the proud owner of a sported enfield , hopefully you will learn to love the traditional rifles as well , we are collectors here ,
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Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 24 2014 at 11:07am
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I was inspired by the photos posted here had an old enfield stuck in the safe because it was to badly mangled to come out. Now it is a favourite. |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 8:19pm
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Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 25 2014 at 8:23pm
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Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 5:43am
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Did I see that you joined another piece of wood to the forearm to make a Mannlicher type stock? ------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 7:22am
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Not exactly I took a oak plank out of a pallet that had been drying for years just inlet it and planed a new for end by hand. The old for end wood had been sawed off to sporterize it I think the term is bubbaeddddd it. It was broken inside as we'll The chamber was bad and the cases split when fired so it had been in the safe for a long time ,saw the post on this site got inspired. So one new chamber and for end later. Man this thing shoots nice bedded the action floted the barrel trying for 5 pounds of lift at the tip .( read that on here) not exactly sure how to measure that but it works matching stain now that I so whole nother story ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 7:24am
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Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 7:28am
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Sorry the photos got out of order the bottom is the before ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 7:31am
| nice work , i envy your sculptors eye , ive always been able to visualize in three dimensions but only in terms of buildings and such never in "free form" very well , |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 8:44pm
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Very nice job. I like your gift of being able to work the wood. But, you can keep the rifle..I have a use for the King Ranch. Can ya drop it off for me? Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 26 2014 at 9:23pm
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How long do you need it for... that's too long sorry my rifles need a way to get around and momma won't let me drive her king ranch so I am gonna need mine close . What part do you live in maybe I could drop by when I come up to see my grandson ? ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 12:21am
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That is one of the most handsome sporters I've ever seen. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 1:02am
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Thank you Shamu, I have always wanted a mannlicher stocked rifle. After I saw the photo on Yumastepside's post, and the post of 303Guy about making his forend. I just decided now was the time for my first Mannlicher type rifle. Yumastepside Kind of sent out a challenge in his post ( I like the motivation of a challenge )as it turns out this rifle with 150gr soft tips loaded with bench rest 28 powder is a joy to shoot. ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 5:09am
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It is indeed handsome. But is there a precedent for using oak for rifle stocks? I'm thinking that must have been a tough motha to whittle down! Is it heavy? ------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 5:20am
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Weren't the Korean imports into Australia (AIA or something similar) made of some heavy dense wood like teak? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 6:12am
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Nobody told me I couldn't Walnut will break the bank for a good stick. Gun Stocks are not made out of oak because it slows production. When green it hold gallons of water making it heavvvvy, but if cured over seven to eight years it becomes like iron and lighter. Then it wont dent and if sealed it absolutely will not warp. I have seen two custom guns stocked in oak usually lighter in color golden. since oak is stable sharp tool work it nicely no tear out or splitting, a plane will leave a glass finish. (I don't like sanding) Some other wood used are JARA and IPE (I-PAY) they tend to be heavy and are impervious to weather. Make good ruff country stocks, I use it for inserts in my saws because it won't wear out. ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 6:20am
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Just a note JARA is now on the endangered species list and you need a License to import it to the states. IPE is some times called Brazilian walnut now that stuff kills saw blades ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 10:30am
Interesting stuff. Never thought of oak as a gun stock wood... now I will. ------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 11:55am
| i like the look of the oak , ive always thought in terms of maple , but as you say so many woods are now 'endangered' or outrageously expensive , one must live with what is available economically , in any event - it looks real nice as you did it |
Posted By: Longbow14
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 11:58am
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liketoshoot. I'm inspired. I may ask my dad (wood worker) if he has any cured oak or ash lying around; he uses them for axe and adz handles. Ipe is great but like all tropical iron woods its root take up silica and other minerals making them hard, heavy, murder on cutting tools and a real irritant to breethe in. at least thats what i learned building bows.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 12:04pm
| ash is one of my favorites for canoe gunnels and such , its got a real strong fiber line |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 11:27pm
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A while back I was trying to get a cheek riser that would match my blond. I ended up carving & sanding one from white oak. I think it ended up pretty close. It did require a lot of effort though being such a hard, dense wood.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 27 2014 at 11:40pm
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Nice work I like the flutes ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 12:40am
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Shamu, Working with different types of wood in repairs or add on's? to gun stocks or anything for that matter always brings into play. How do we match color, and texture? Working with the forend on my Enfield turned into one of the most rewarding experiences I have had in a while, however it did not start out that way. After I was completed with the wood shaping I started to try to match the forend color to the stock. I used three or four different colors of stain till it was a close but not perfect match. I used the rag dob technique to simulate the walnut grain with black stain, over all looked pretty good. Then I used a wipe on poly for a weather barrier. When I wiped it on and let it dry the stain came off and I had a blond forend. Not the look I was after to be sure. I was just sick as now I would have to sand and start over or give up. I had made up my mind to set it aside and come back to it when I was in a better frame of mind. As I set it into my work cabinet I saw some bottle's of leather die setting there. Now it gets interesting, since I was going to have to sand it any way I though (why not). I applied the leather die to the poly coat it socked into the poly and dried in 5 min. I had used a saddle tan it was to light so I went over it with black, it was to dark so I sanded it with 600 grit till the tan showed through. It left the black in the pores and grain and then I went back with dark brown and I had the match you see in the photos above. The die bonded to the poly so quick and made it so I could change and work the color on the fly. You just apply a little die hit it with a mineral sprits wipe then it leaves a grain mark lighten the color and blends. I was just amazed as to the colors I could achieve and fast. After it dried over night I have been applying bleached boiled linseed oil and have reached that satin glow I like the look of and the soft feel of an oil finish. All with the sealing benefit of the poly underneath. This may be way to much information but I was so glad after all these years of fighting to color match with stain and all the hours that takes to find that it did not have to be that hard. 1. Poly wipe dries to a workable finish 1 hour 2. Leather die dries in 5 min. 3. Bleached BLO with accelerators 24 hours 4. 5 days to a useable stock and it is the right color ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 10:22am
| i think you did right well shamu , that blonde is a tough match - i once had two , the charnwood came closest , but it was 308 , |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 7:18am
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Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 7:26am
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We'll we went to the ranch today the enfield is really accurate first cold shot a little high. The two by the bull Are 100 yard the three lower are from 200 yard should have cranked the sight up but we were Testing the drop on this load right a 2.5 " need to get to the range and settle in and see how good this rifle really is. Was able to take some armadillos at the ranch one was 225 yard by the range finder . I might have to give up the 7 mm magnum . ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 12:52pm
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What are you using for ammunition? ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 29 2014 at 1:14pm
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Hornady 174 interlock round nose flat base .312 36 gr bench rest 28 crimped at the top of the channluer ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Longbow14
Date Posted: March 31 2014 at 12:23am
| Can I come to your house? I'll bring ammo and barbecue. |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: March 31 2014 at 1:52am
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Now that might just work ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:31pm
| When installing a shortened forearm to a LE, how are they typically fastened? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:36pm
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A barrel band with a skrew through the for end ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:39pm
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If you zoom in on the photo of the photo above of the riffle by the box target you can see the Upper part of the band ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: April 09 2014 at 8:55am
| This band needs to be custom made, I suppose? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: April 09 2014 at 10:51am
http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/B52A8C16-253A-41D8-A261-C3216205B03F_zpsslnaofee.png.html" rel="nofollow"> I use these just drill and tap into the attachment at 90 deg. Use a forstner bit inside the stock for the swivel drill through and counter sink the screw I slowly cut the inside till I get the pressure I want clamping the barrel.------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Longbow14
Date Posted: April 12 2014 at 10:18am
| that's "Wicked Smaht" as I would say. |
Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: April 12 2014 at 10:30am
| How good is that?!! There's some smart people on here. |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 9:09am
http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/AB7EEC78-3A90-452A-B549-455D03EFB74D_zpsrd7ajdnv.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> Added a brindle hair on sling way easier to pack around ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 10:18pm
That's our first furry sling! Congratulations ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 11:23pm
| A silver encrusted furry sling! Really? |
Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 12:51am
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I like it. Looks very sarfari-ish. ------------- I support hard work, creativity, freedom, responsibility and truth |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 12:21pm
At my son inlaws in Canada his dad left him a 303 was wondering if this was a factory sporter http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/0251D8B3-5A00-49BE-B763-E548E50296AB_zpsru3yep6t.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/3D76496E-486C-416A-96E5-72B0D92E81D0_zpsshl2wd1j.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/0251D8B3-5A00-49BE-B763-E548E50296AB_zpsru3yep6t.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 12:23pm
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Posted By: Longbow14
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 12:50pm
| thats a nice rifle either way. does it still have the charger bridge? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: June 10 2014 at 1:05pm
Yes http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/579CB02A-B678-48DE-B9DA-8C7B1AA9560C_zps389r6zbd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 11 2014 at 1:36pm
| looks to be ROF FAZ in 8/43 to me but the markings are obscured , it was "originally" a military rifle , now sported in what looks to be a fairlynice form from what little i see od it in your photos , may well be a really nice sporting rifle |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: June 11 2014 at 2:24pm
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Photo bucket hanging up will load some better photos when I get back home The stock was well fit did not look like your typical hack job. I saw some nice mosian nagant In Canadian tire for sale way above any grade I have seen in the states along with some sks's Just thought a company up here may be upgrading and turning out some nice sporters. ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Likestoshoot
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:46am
Found this on the recoil pad http://s89.photobucket.com/user/signfxer/media/E02C8A83-833D-434F-91E8-FAB7CDB34B93_zpshda6z6tn.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Right after I shoot I always think ... did I aim? |
Posted By: Longbow14
Date Posted: June 12 2014 at 12:55am
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Santa fe arms did some very nice conversions in the 50's on enfields, it wouldn't surprise me if other companies did too. and with the "North" using enfields i bet most hunters started with sporter rifles just like we yanks did with 1903s. check out churchill gunmakers, thats some sweet stuff on there.
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