need gunsmith oppinion ,
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Topic: need gunsmith oppinion ,
Posted By: A square 10
Subject: need gunsmith oppinion ,
Date Posted: February 09 2009 at 9:33am
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im contemplateing aquireing a nice martini action 12 ga shotgun , its been fitted with a custom stock and remington bbl , its for trap ,
any drawbacks that leap to mind ? any concerns ? does this conversion make sence ?
i really like it , yet im drawn to commonwealth firearms and dont want to let my inclinations cancel good thinking ..........im open to all opinions
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 09 2009 at 10:55am
| A Square 10, I have found that sometimes I pay a little more, or get something I want just becouse I want it. In my opinion if the shotgun is in good working condition and you want it, for a price that your comfortable. Then go for it. As far as draw backs the few I have seen had no draw backs, they were in sound condition |
Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: February 09 2009 at 3:06pm
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Many Martinis were coverted to shotguns and they are a good action so if it is in good nick I dont see a problem. Is it a modern conversion? |
Posted By: Ed Hill
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 10:10am
Tough to shoot doubles... What was the concern? My friend just built a 45-70 Martini conversion, it should be plenty strong.Ed |
Posted By: VAnimrod
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 10:28am
| If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's gorgeous. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 14 2009 at 11:34am
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i think its the one you are thinking of , ive traded a treasured rifle that is truely a shooter , its the intent of the tradeing partner to shoot competetily and i know this rifle to be what he will need , im not a competitive rifle shooter so this fondly held example is going to a home i hope to be better as it will simply rest in my cabinet and a shooter deserves to be shot ,
this is what ive traded-
http://steyrmannlicher.yuku.com/topic/6127 - http://steyrmannlicher.yuku.com/topic/6127
im shooting more trap these days and i need to quit shooting my double barrel stevens feild gun [it was my fathers -got it new in 1938 IIRC] to improve at all , id like to think ill shoot better with a trap gun , if not ill quit , but i also want to hold true to my dedication to collecting enfeilds ,
and this is what ive traded for -
It's a 12ga with a Remington 870 barrel and screw in chokes.
 WTT Martini trap gun I have a custom trap gun built on a Martini action that I'd like to trade. Honestly I'm not sure of it's monetary value since it was given to me. But I never use it so I would prefer to trade it for something that I would shoot. Here are some of the things I'd be interested in. A Savage 99 with the rotary magazine and counter. A Swede 96, 1917 Eddystone, 30-40 Krag, Persian Mauser or 03-A3 Springfield in original condition, no sporters. I would also be interested in a Martini or other rolling /falling block single shot rifle of most any caliber. I don't shoot pistols much but I would be interested in a Springfield XD. I will entertain other offers.       |
Posted By: VAnimrod
Date Posted: February 14 2009 at 11:58am
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Gorgeous gun. |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: February 14 2009 at 12:14pm
Great wood...(thats what she said..  )------------- Get some |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 14 2009 at 9:55pm
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Man...I am impressed!!If I hadda known that could be done with my old Martini/Henry,I NEVER woulda sold it!!
Beautiful pirce there(I'm jealous) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 14 2009 at 10:29pm
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Awesome job, that's a sweet-lloking shottie.
I've always been a sucker for that grain pattern, in fact I'd thought of getting a "Kentucky rifle" just so I could have wood with the fiddleback pattern. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 15 2009 at 12:22am
| That is an Excellent looking sporting firearm!!! beautiful !!! |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 15 2009 at 2:27am
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Hope I'm in ths same condition when I get to that age! Absolute beauty!
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 9:09am
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thank you gentelmen - tomarrow will tell , she arrived in town today and i get to pick her up at 9 bells , i suspect she will outshoot me but im hoping she will inspire me ,
as to the doubles ill leave those to my SxS which does a reasonable job when i can get my act together , ive been shooting a little skeet - its humbleing to say the least , wish id started younger ........
and we will soon have a nice sporting clays coarse set up at my club , im sure it will be equaly humbleing ..........
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Posted By: Ed Hill
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 9:58am
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Skeet is a nasty sport! I've yet to see birds fly high, low, doubles!! Ed |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 11:54am
And Ed and no matter how long you cook those skeet still tough as nails to eat
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Ed Hill wrote:Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 6:03pm
| Yes, doubles are hard to shoot with a single barrel gun. |
Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 9:13pm
| Cookie, have tried a tenderising hammer on them? |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 10:09pm
Yes then you get this dry powder
 that if you mix with gravy turns to a plaster paste. |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 1:26am
Plaster paste!!!!!! HMMMMMMM I assume it sets hard???? ERE YOU GO Hoadie lad save you buying the tablets at $80 a throw!!
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 3:40pm
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Ah well, I dont like gravy so thats why I dont get the plaster. I have found however that whenever I eat them I get constipated.
I guess that is what is causing that.
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 10:08pm
Sport clays are WORSE!Try THAT w/a double barrel..HA!  Aint gonna happen @ all  That Winchester auto I got fouls out so fast-its useless on the sport clay range  .
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 1:26am
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Hoadie I just recently had a winchester shot gun brought into my shop for me to see if I could fix it... The ole boy bought it from his friend for $40.00 Mark brought it to me since its His long time Bud and asked if I would fix it for him. after cleening it and Man it was dirty... looked like some one drug it through the swamp and accross the yard after . it was a mess.
I got a few parts that were missing or broke and reasembled the Gun along with some help from CM and it would not shoot or eject. I disasemble it and started all over again .. nothing
I called Mark and told him to come get the Gun ... Its put back together and ready to beat up against a treee.
I then did some digging on the ole girl talked to one guy that said he has to clean his at about every 150 200 rounds or it starts acting up...
I personally didnt like it. I used to grip about my Remy 1100 .. Now Im happy to have her. but would take a Mossberg any day.... ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 3:47am
| Rhino I have a Model 1400 MKII just like the one you and I attempted to restore that afternoon. I have NEVER had NO trouble from mine and would buy another if I could. Now a remington 1100 I would not use as a boat anchor they are junk O-rings gas system and they do not like cold weather and have to clean after every shot, as far as that goes you have to clean after every shot and in between shots. Also the auto loading 7400 series rifles would make good boat anchors as well |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 4:37am
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You want a decent semi auto shotgun ?? Try a Beretta 303 semi. Lad has 1 it's never missed a beat in the 4 years he's had it. Got it second hand for his 14th birthday. Been dragged through ditches rough shoots clay shoots you name it it's done it.
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 6:52am
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I got the same Semi Winchester as Cookie-he's seen it/worked on it.I dunno why mine fouls out so quickly & his dont.(finicky critters I guess).After taking it to Cookies I cleaned it @ home & took it upp to cabin for some traps.Started to act up on the 15th round..& by 25 it was completly inoperable(never used to be like that).So now we gotta take it down fer cleaning a couple X per day if we wanna use it.
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 10:18am
| On the Winchester 1400's there is two gas holes that stop up. remove the barrel and there inside the ring on the barrel side. Cheap discount ammo will foul one out. It is normal cleaning porcedure for that shotgun. Just like any other firearm it should be cleaned and oil after each use. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:51pm
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Well,I guess Winchester,Federal & Remington trap loads are all "discount" stuff then.
Kinda like a sophisticated aircraft...spends more time w/maintainance than actual use!! 
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:13am
No you use it you clean it as should be will all firearms
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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:48am
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Clean the gas ports with a PIPE cleaner soaked in barrel cleaner. Betcha if my lad had hold of it and cleaned it you wouldn't get the stoppages you do get. 1 other thing do you use fibre wad or plas wad cartridges? Plaswads can shave bits of plastic off when they pass the gas ports that can cause blockages.
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 2:36am
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I DO use pipe cleaners!!(& a toothbrush) on the ports.Most of the shot is Plaswad these days.(got little bits of plaswad all over the back acerage!!lol)
& yes Cookie-we DO clean it.All the time these days-way too much in fact.Kinda ruins the fun when ya gotta stop & break her down all the time. Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 5:35am
Hoadie you bring a non-functioning shotgun to the meet and greet. I break it down and do a complete cleaning, “By the way was in severe need of”, and if works flawlessly for several months, you attempt to clean it and it begins to malfunction. When I come up this fall to hunt with you I will again disable and clean your shot gun and return it to service. And by the way Hoadie, That is part of it, "You use it you clean it". That is the Responsibility of owning and using a firearm. It is a mechanical device and requires routine maintenance. There are two types of maintenance. Scheduled and Emergency. Routine or schedule maintenance is always the best. You choose the time and place to take a given piece of equipment out of service. For example you shoot a firearm. It is time to schedule a routine maintenance. |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 9:21am
Ok! 1 make sure the toothbrush has bristles  , 2 read my posting again! Plaswads do shave off on the gas ports and bits DO get stuck ergo it malfunctions. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 1:00pm
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It shouldnt be fouling this much-this often.
We're cleanin this thing like its the only tool in the shed! Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 9:33pm
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Dunno about gunsmithing hoadie! Maybe you should try Blacksmithing instead!
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:19pm
Fouling? That is irreverent. If the shotgun was cleaned properly after each use there would be no fouling.
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: February 21 2009 at 1:51am
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Cookie Monster , I have had my 1100 Remy for over 20 years never had trouble with it unless I shot winchester ammo... Im not that crazy over the 1100 I prefer a pump shotgun instead. But My Step Dad gave it to me one X-mass so He didnt have to buy me some thing for X-mass. His way out was a treasur of a gift for a 16 year old kid that loved to hunt all the time.
We lived in the Floriada panhandal at the time and I had 1000's of acres of forest to hunt. thats what I was talking about when we went to your place for a hunt. same type of terrain as your place.... ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 21 2009 at 2:33am
| Rhino I have a 870 Express magnum pump. Other then that no Remingtons here. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 1:51am
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My son, a friend, and I have been out small game hunting the last two days. Between the three of us we put several squirrels in the freezer. It rained on us yesterday off and on and however today it was clear with a heavy frost this morning. My son and I used the Model 1400 MKII Winchester with no incidents, cycled flawlessly each time it was used. After each hunt it was cleaned and oiled so it will be ready next time it is called upon for use. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 8:18am
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Yes-as it should be...when I brought mine to your place last March it was filthy-admittedly.We discussed that..& the reasons why.(You NEVER see that with ANY of my other firearms).Since then the s.o.b. has been cleaned to within an inch of its life-DURING & after every use.It doesnt matter what we do-it heats up & shuts down.(Modified may have sumthin to do with it).I used to shoot trap with it in large matches-no problem.Have a snit of a time tryin to shoot sport clays.
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 8:34am
Hoadie start another post in off topic just for this and tell me exactly what it is doing. or not doing
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 10 2009 at 12:28pm
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ill updat this thread with - ive shot her , very nice , im working on getting my aim to her POA , so far POI has provided a 17 ............its me , thats my norm , i hope to improve |