A rare british M1907 bayonet
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Topic: A rare british M1907 bayonet
Posted By: oxi81
Subject: A rare british M1907 bayonet
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 5:48am
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Hello I am glad to share my latest find with you. A M1907 hooked bayonet. Made in 1909 by Wilkinson. This hookie shows a regimental marking on the pommel : I.BRK 63 Was told that this marking means 1st battalion of Princess of Charlotte of Wales Royal Berkshire Regiment. Weapon #63. But I don't really know. Now, I need to find a MK1 scabbard (the same that common MK2, but with a leather tip instead of steel tip). http://www.casimages.com">  http://www.casimages.com">  The most interesting marking is the crowned "ER". It means "Edward Rex". King Edward VII died in 1910 and all bayonets made in 1910 and after wear a crowned "GR" marking ("George Rex" for King George V who reigned till 1936). http://www.casimages.com">  Francois |
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: August 09 2010 at 6:30am
| Very nice piece of Cutlery |
Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 4:27am
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I'm watching a recent Sci Fi movie right now, titled Mutant Chronicles.
The main sci fi weaponry is unrealistic but there are many SMLE rifles used as well, and I spotted several Hooked Quillon bayonets in the early scenes.
Cast resin replica guns ans bayonets are common enough, but it could be that a few collectors items still reside in movie prop store rooms.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 8:25am
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now that is a fine looking hookie - where did you happen across that one ? mine is a 1910 mole , had found a correct scabbard but the deal never came together so im using an early one with the almond shaped button , good luck on your search , has a canceled set of regimental markings - (cant read first two letters well) possibly RDF / 501 also lined out , 'Royal Dublin Fusiliers' ? then a second set 15 / RIR / 53 ..... not sure what this is 'Royal Irish Rangers' possibly ? she resides with my 1915 BSA mkIII , and also ahown with the japanese inspiration for the design    |
Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: August 11 2010 at 3:30am
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Many years ago I repaired the badly broken stock of a WW2 battlefield pickup Arisaka that a veteran had left to his son. The rifle still had its bayonet and scabard with it. It was the hooked quillon type. I'd assumed the Japanese had copied theirs from the British.
Though when it comes to details of blades and fittings all premutations have already been tried at some point in history.
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Thought I'd seen the Hooked Quillon before on a much older rifle.
The Hooked Quillon was a feature of the 1874 LeGras Sword Bayonet.
Some US Civil War and British Sword Bayonets of the 1860s have a prominent quillon ,but these were not drawn to a hook, likely because cast brass handles were most common and brass wouldn't have been suitable for capturing a steel blade.
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Posted By: No4Enfield
Date Posted: August 11 2010 at 3:52am
| Thats cool! |
Posted By: oxi81
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 2:16am
Very fine 1910 quillon bayonet. RDF : The Royal Dublin Fusiliers (Royal Madras Fusiliers) RIR : The Royal Irish Rifles (2nd Battalion Royal Ulster Rifles) Found on this excellent site : http://www.radix.net/%7Ebbrown/brit_bayo.html#regimentals - http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/brit_bayo.html#regimentals Francois |
A square 10 wrote:Posted By: finloq
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 4:24am
Under : British Regimental Markings from the afore mentioned sight: http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/brit_bayo.html#regimentals - http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/brit_bayo.html#regimentals ------------- "Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?" |
Posted By: oxi81
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 12:02am
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An interesting picture : http://www.casimages.com">  Two hooked P1907 on the same picture... Does somebody know what is hanging on the bayonet scabbard of this soldier?? Another scabbard? Maybe for the second bayonet ?? What is the frog made of ? Leather or web? Francois |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 12:40am
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At a guess I would say it's the shaft of an entrenching tool. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 27 2010 at 7:35am
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most definetly the handle for the entrenching tool the metal head section is in the bag hanging from the rear of the belt , the set i have is a later version that takes a no4 spike for mine probing but the rest of the bits are similar ,  |
Posted By: oxi81
Date Posted: September 27 2010 at 6:15pm
Thank you for this info, and for sharing this very nice british rack picture... ;)
Francois
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 28 2010 at 1:24pm
| you are most welcome , i seldom get to share anymore , and i miss the days of discussing the accoutrements as well as the rifles/handguns |
Posted By: RadioHack
Date Posted: December 09 2010 at 12:46pm
It actually means "Regina" Latin for Reign, as in the Reign of Edward or in the case of our
current Sovreign "ER" Elizabeth Regina.
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Posted By: oxi81
Date Posted: December 09 2010 at 4:39pm
I thought like you about Regina and not Rex translation. But on another forum, I was told by your compatriots that this marking means Rex as king Edward VII was a men... Have a look here : http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?101165-A-rare-british-P1907-bayonet. - http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?101165-A-rare-british-P1907-bayonet. Maybe we can get a confirmation from an english member....  Francois |
Posted By: RadioHack
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 1:06am
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They are correct! My apologies, I have my Latin genders incorrect, I was always rubbish at Latin, just enough to get through mass as an alltar boy. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:02am
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trust me radio man , i just learned something new as well , i was aware of the diferent uses but not aware of it being the latin gender thing , in fact the nuns nearly sacked me from alter-boy duty for my fumbling latin , only thing that saved my short career was that they were lacking in qualified kneelers for 40 hours devotion , and there were a few that got excused from the weekend duty , but i knelt proud and made myself available so sister mary evangilitta was unable to turn me out |
Posted By: Beerhunter
Date Posted: March 28 2011 at 10:04pm
Reign in Latin is Regni. |
Posted By: gew98
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 12:46am
| I've got a Sanderson august of 1908 dated hookie...marked I think to either the Irish or Scots guards. Anyhow it's not refinished...but I really need to swap it for a KRR marked hookie to mate with my KRR marked No1 MkIII . |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 6:06am
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As in "Pile of Bones was re-named REGINA after the Queen's reign.(Thats in Alberta for you uneducated types) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Beerhunter
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 1:18am
Being a little pedantic. I think that you mean after the Queen (Victoria), rather than after her reign - which would make the City Regni. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 7:41am
| well - in the case of this bayonet its george and edward so we are talking REX |
Posted By: Bloodwyn
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 6:01am
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No doubt I will be flamed for this but I have read the hooked quillion was initially a Navel issue short sword which was reworked for use as a bayonet on the SMLE. I read it was not worth the work and saved no time (obviously) and the process was abandoned this is why they are few in number. ------------- This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave. ~Elmer Davis~ I go armed at all times and shoot where I find it necessary as I am an American. ~Bloodwyn~ |
Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 9:28am
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Nice bayonets all
Sorry Hoadie the "queen city" Regina is in Sask.Not that I like it, but Alta wouldnt swap us for Hinton.
------------- A true measure of a man is not how he act's when thing's are going well.But how he act's when things are going Bad. R.S.G. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 10:49am
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'...
No doubt I will be flamed for this but I have read the hooked quillion was initially a Navel issue short sword which was reworked for use as a bayonet on the SMLE. I read it was not worth the work and saved no time (obviously) and the process was abandoned this is why they are few in number. .."
NO FLAME - as to the comment , i think your mistaken , although there may be some truth in the statement , if you sugest that the pattern 1907 bayo was [not worth the work] i think you wrong - it served from 1907 through WWII , a fair service life ,
if you refer to the hooked quillon , i know these were promninent over the generations on more than one countries swords and bayonets , they may or may not have been well recieved in various generations , but they certainly must have been acceptable to others as they were prolific ,
they also cost more to produce and i think that may have played a bigger part in the demise , |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 7:07am
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Gentlemen.... an Englishman to the rescue. The question of Regina vs Rex. Queens = Regina. King's = Rex ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 7:20am
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Bloodwyn... I love that explanation.. but unfortunatelly, someone has been pulling your leg. Its not true. The Pattern-1907 Sword bayonet was originaly designed with a Hooked Quillion. In 1913, due to operational recommendations, it was ordered to be removed. From approx mid 1914, no further '07 Hooked Quillions were manufactured. Those in existance were removed as and when they were submitted for repair. Some survived due to them not requiring any form of maintainance, or they were stored away in various armouries. ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |