Accessory Question
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Category: Enfields
Forum Name: Enfield Accessories
Forum Description: Slings, Bandoleers and any other Accessories for the Enfields
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Topic: Accessory Question
Posted By: BlackAck
Subject: Accessory Question
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 4:17am
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What sort of accessories would WW2-era No. 1 Mk 3 have? I'm not worried about socks 1, trousers, 1, boots 1, etc.... just the rifle. Here's what I have so far: - Canvas sling - Cleaning kit - Canvas carry case - '07 bayonet - Canvas action cover? - Charger clips |
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 6:40am
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Muzzle cover. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 9:14am
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..Would "tampions" ever be used , Shamu? Just wondering..they would be easy & real cheap to produce.(Although I haven't seen or heard of any after the uncivil war) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:54am
| i dont believe so hoadie , by that era those were obsolete , but this was the transition era of the mkIII* into no longer being produced execpt at lithgow and inda , so i may be wrong , |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 4:05pm
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Accessories as issued:- Brass or plastic oil bottle. Pullthrough with either a Brass or White metal weight. Muzzle cover. Action cover. Webbing rifle sling with either Brass or White metal fittings. Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonet & Scabbard. The charger clips were not accessories to the SMLE, but were a part of the ammunition supply. ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 9:00pm
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I don't think so, mate. By then the "Flanders Flap" or a canvas cover would probably be it. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 10:02pm
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Funny that...In the Navy, they "corked" the guns (essentially doing the same thing), in larger calibers, they used covers /plugs..wonder why they never explored the tampion? Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 10:47pm
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Thanks for the information guys. I don't think I have ever seen a muzzle cover. Does anyone have pictures? In what situation would it be used? I would think you put the rifle in the canvas case and job done. And here was I, wondering why Hoadie was talking about tampons  My first thought was it was some 'make do and mend' war emergency thing.... Silly me. It was late, I'd had a beer or two! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:46pm
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Here is the canvas cover, the Flanders Flap is a metal pop open "door". http://www.lawranceordnance.com/shot_and_she!!/accessories_military/muzzle_cover.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.lawranceordnance.com/shot_and_she!!/accessories_military/muzzle_cover.php I actually just made a Tompion for my .50 Hawken, no one made them under .58 cal so I was forced to DIY! ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:50pm
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It's a bad link |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 4:11am
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Weird! It worked earlier today because I checked it. Let me try again. Hows this? OK, no go. It works in the preview, but comes up bad after I post it??? Try this one instead, its probably a better link anyway. https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1304&idcategory=64" rel="nofollow - https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1304&idcategory=64 ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 6:49am
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That link works fine. Are the muzzle and action covers for armoury storage or for field use? I heard they were avoided because they encouraged moisture build up and therefore corrosion. |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 11:49am
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Don't forget the condoms. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 3:53pm
Shamu... I'm an RM veteran.... I know the standard of '10.98' issue for my own countries weapons! ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Shamu wrote:Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 11:16pm
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The US military has been using condons as muzzle covers sence the 1930's. Packed 144 to the case. Cover the muzzle to get a shore and cover your friend when on shore leave. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 12:24am
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Sarge, I do believe that Shamu's response was directed at Hoadie's query on the tampions. That's how I took it anyway. We know you are a wealth of knowledge on this stuff. BlackAck, I have many a book that shows the SMLE with action covers and muzzles covers in the field. Their purpose is to keep dirt, mud, etc out of the action and muzzle. There isn't any reason to have them on in an armory setting. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 2:00am
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Yep, that's what I was replying to. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 12:51am
Oh bugger! Sorry everyone... especially you Shamu. I seem to have got my myself into somewhat of a lather somehow! That will teach me in future to read through first.. in context.. before attempting to insert ones boot into ones facial oraface!!!  ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 4:03am
That makes sense. I never recall seeing them on the No. 8s we used to use, though I have seen period photographs too. Now, the correct sling would be the canvas type? The only exception would be a '14 or '39/'40 No.1 rifle which would have leather slings because of the equipment patterns in use at the time. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 4:58am
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No problem Sarge, it was a bit confusing with the posts in between the original & my reply. This forum doesn't have a "quote" feature either. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 5:00am
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Pretty much the khaki canvas was the "normal", I believe snipers had the double loop leather type though. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 12:11pm
| we all seem to skip about but im certain none mean any disrespect in any of our posts here , i do love that we get on so well here , and its a tad bit exciting when the tangent gets taken just to see where it goes , but in the end there is a wealth of knowledge and expertise to glean those fine points from when you sort through the funnin |
Posted By: Jon287
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 12:56pm
Can I quote that?  ------------- Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their planet!! |
Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 9:55pm
But what about Pattern 1914 equipment or the '39 War Emergency Pattern? Those patterns were leather, so surely the slings would match? Source: Chappell, Mike. British Infantry Equipment (2) 1908-2000. Revised/Expanded ed. Vol. 108. Oxford: Osprey Publishing, 2000. |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 11:37pm
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Gentlemen, can we please get one point correct? There are only two types of rifle sling issue to British Forces = Leather and Webbing. Where did the 'canvas' idea come from? Webbing and Canvas are two entirely different mediums, with vastly different wear capabilities (webbing being the more durable and cost effective of the two). So please, when using a certain term in reference, could we use the correct one? BlackAck... as to the issue of either the leather or webbing rifle sling in conjunction to the pattern of fighting equipment used. Even though the webbing sling was authorised in January of 1901, the British Army is such that... the new pattern equipment item will not be issued until such a time as existing old item stocks have been exhausted. Or, an issue of the new item will be made once a suitable number have been acquired, with a reasonable reserve stock as backup. A combination of the two as mentioned could also occur. It is never a straight case of new in---> old out. As has already been mentioned in reference to the 'canvas' muzzle cover & action cover... these originated during WW1, and were for use in the field---> to prevent mud and dirt from entering into the muzzle, or fouling the breach mechanism. Shamu... you show a link to a certain universal muzzle cover. As the original post question was in connection to WW2, that type would be correct, but it is not the most common variation. I've attached a pic of that type.  Just for interest... here is a pic of the WW1 variation...  [------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 9:43am
| cool , never seen one like that , i love this place |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 10:19am
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+1!!! ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 8:50pm
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Yep..pretty cool stuff, but.... A tampion would make more sense to me. Smaller, less complicated, easier & less expensive. I still wonder why they didn't go that route? It sure works well for my smoke-pole Enfield Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 11:43pm
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Hoadie... think on this logically for a moment... In the days of the Musket, and I suspect that your talking about the '1853 Enfield Rifled Musket'... a tampion was the perfect tool for the job---> to combat the weather and combat conditions then encountered. In the mud and gore of the 'Western Front', what would happen to it? It would very easily become lost. Also, due to the fact that the foresight of the SMLE is encased = the nosecap... it was not now just a simple question of keeping the rain and a bit of muck out of the muzzle. A full covering for the business end of the rifle was now required... otherwise, not only the muzzle, but the whole forward end of the rifle would become a single block of mud... thus rendering the soldiers weapon useless. The muzzle cover makes perfect sense!  ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 12:00am
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In the "sea of mud in WWI" action covers are needed as well. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 3:21am
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The action covers I can see. As for losing the Tampion, a simple thin lanyard would solve the "lost" issue.(I have one on my - yes your right: Pattern 1853 Enfield) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 8:14am
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Thanks for clarifying where you put the tanpion. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |