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Topic: 10 Round Mag differences
Posted By: RTenenbaum
Subject: 10 Round Mag differences
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 1:46pm
he!!o All,

New owner of a well preserved Enfield here.  I recently bought it from someone liquidating his collection.  It had been slightly modified over the years, but it has been well taken care of and I look forward to many hours at the range.
 
My few questions are; how can I tell which version of the rifle I have?  Also, it came with a 10 round box magazine.  I wanted to buy two more, but I am not sure if the mag's are different depending on which version of rifle I have.  So, any guidance will be appreciated. 

Thank you and cheers!




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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 3:33pm
Welcome to the board.

Photos would help to see what rifle you have.

Ed

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 9:47pm
yes the magazine boxes are different between the patterns of rifles , but they also can vary between rifles of yje same pattern - enfields were not made to have interchangeable mags , each mag and bolt were hand fitted to the rifle it came with , will they interchange ? yes often , but they were not intended to , 


Posted By: Jon287
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 10:35pm
Welcome! You realize that Enfields were not intended to be loaded by changing magazines like an M16 is? Enfields are loaded with Charger clips, also referred to as stripper clips. (Sorry Hoadie!)
Enfield magazines have gotten ridiculously expensive! They often sell for $50.00+ on Evil-Bay.


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 6:48am
Post a pic & we'll get you sorted out.


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Posted By: bgoldstuff
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Jon287 Jon287 wrote:

Welcome! You realize that Enfields were not intended to be loaded by changing magazines like an M16 is? Enfields are loaded with Charger clips, also referred to as stripper clips. (Sorry Hoadie!)
Enfield magazines have gotten ridiculously expensive! They often sell for $50.00+ on Evil-Bay.


Is Evil-Bay the only place to find good used 303 Mags???????? I would really like to find a good used 10 round for a fair price or possible trade.


Posted By: Owl-Mirror
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 11:06pm
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Posted By: Jon287
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 11:17pm
Try any of these sites:
http://www.enfieldresource.com/1-enfield-parts-inventories" rel="nofollow - http://www.enfieldresource.com/1-enfield-parts-inventories

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 5:52am
I dare say that 5 round mags have become more expensive than 10 rnd.
Worth an arm & / or leg now
Hoadie

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Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 6:12am
5 round magazines don't always fit in the magazine well all that well either. There are different types from what I have found out, mostly to do with the thickness of the metal.

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Posted By: bgoldstuff
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 8:04am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

I dare say that 5 round mags have become more expensive than 10 rnd.
Worth an arm & / or leg now
Hoadie


Thanks for the helpful info Guy's ! Here is the craziness part of my search for a 10 rd. mag. I have two original 5rd mags for my rifle. I am guessing for the purpose of hunting regulation, 5rd mag minimum?

So, If by chance someone would like to do a little trading?????? I would be willing to part with one. Thanks


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 8:31am
"My few questions are; how can I tell which version of the rifle I have? "
It depends, the best way is to show a picture because it has so much more information than a description. Let me see if I can help somehow though.
Ignore the 5-round magazine for now they were never fitted originally, they are a hunting application devised later.






Look at these 3 rifles closely, pay particular attention to the sights, muzzle & wood at the muzzle end.
Are your rear sights at the back, or part way along the barrel?
How about the wood at the muzzle?
Is it flush, does the barrel stick out a couple of inches?
Or is it cut short like the other rifle, stopping part way along the barrel?


You want to do a trade a 5-round Santa Fe for a 10 round milSpec?
OK I'll do it in a heartbeat!

However we still need to figure out which magazine you need.
The mag for the No1 Does not work in the No4 or NO5 & vice versa.


This is a magazine for a No4 or No5.
Look at the rib on the back. if yours is longer than that, going all the way to the bottom it's for a No1.
Now look at the two vertical "grooves" in the side walls.
See how they stop short of the bottom? If they don't, but go all the way to the base-plate that's another sign you have a magazine for a No1.

Also remember the magazines have some individual fitting to match the individual gun which you may need to mess with. These are not like M-16's where you just swap them out.


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Posted By: bgoldstuff
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 9:33am
Shamu, I sent you a PM after your last reply before all the awesome pics. You will have to let me know if you have received it or not? If not, maybe it didn't go through because I am still a Newbie here?

My 303 has ROF poorly stamped with 42A an B27838 under it. I am guessing Royal ordnance factory, from the Maltby Arsenal, 1942 ?  I wasn't  able to ID the numbers 1 or 9 in front of the 42A stamp. Looked to me like a number 3 and 1  in place of the 1,9 ? Thanks


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 1:24pm
I got the PM, I'd just logged off for awhile. I also just sent a reply.
It should actually say on the metal "band" round the wrist which model it is exactly.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: bgoldstuff
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 1:40pm
The receiver has No.4 MK1 on it. The two groves on the side of the Mag. also stop short of the bottom Hope this helps.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 2:26pm
Yep!
You need mags for the No4.No5, not the No1.Thumbs Up


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Homer
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 4:19pm
Something you may want to know to save confusion during your search, a magazine for the No1 rifle is actually a no4 type magazine. In other words, No4 is the nomenclature for the type of magazine that fits a No1 rifle. So if over the phone you tell a seller you need a No4 magazine, he may think you are referring to a magazine for a No1 rifle. Be sure to ask for a magazine to suit a No4 rifle, not a No4 magazine. I hope that helps, It's happened before.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 8:22pm
well put homer , the nomenclature can be very confusing to the new and even to some older collectors , 

i seldom think about the nuances of the magazine body nomenclature because most dont know or cannot tell one box from another let alone those in the same family , its good that these topics see light from time to time for all , 


Posted By: bgoldstuff
Date Posted: January 13 2015 at 2:14am
I would like to send out a special thanks to all the forum members whom have taken the time to help me with my Enfield issues. By having you guy's here on this Enfield Forum, who are passionate about their hobbies or special interest and yet willing to make the time to help others like myself, is PRICELESS! My Hats off to all you Guy's, Thanks again ! Thumbs Up Smile  


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 13 2015 at 5:41pm
oh , and to the poster above that posted this - 

"..303 BRITISH LEE ENFIELD 5 Rd STRIPPER CLIPS ..." 

be aware that those words are unacceptable to many here - some get a bit more than disturbed when that american slang is applied to the charger , be forewarned , lest the wrath fall upon you .....JUST SAYIN 


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 13 2015 at 6:34pm
You are correct.

Chargers or a 1000 flea shall live in your groin.

QUOTE=A square 10] oh , and to the poster above that posted this - 
">303 BRITISH LEE ENFIELD 5 Rd STRIPPER CLIPS ..."  to many here - some get a bit more than disturbed when that american slang is applied to the charger , be forewarned, lest the wrath fall upon you .....JUST SAYIN
[/QUOTE]

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 13 2015 at 6:47pm
STRIPPER CLIPS!!!??STRIPPER CLIPS!!?? Let me at 'em!!
Dang it! Is absolutely NOTHING sacred with these heathens!!???
Does everything have to be reduced??!! AAARRGH!!
Hoadie
(the Exasperated)

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 7:22am
ARGhhhh! The Kraken awakes, flee in terror!Shocked


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 7:48am
Ahem..... Censored CHARGER CLIP! Pleeeaaaassseeee! CHARGER CLIP! CHARGER CLIP!
Unhappy (Takes several deep breaths... composure)... let me explain...
 
A stripper clip is used to hold a number of rounds in readiness to be-----> STRIPPED off individually before loading into a magazine----> SEE BELOW!
(NOTE:- In 99.99% of cases whilst using this method, the magazine must be removed from the weapon.)
 
 
A 'CHARGER CLIP'.... holds a number of rounds in place so that they can easily and quickly be inserted into the rifles breach in order to----> CHARGE the magazine---> SEE BELOW!
(NOTE:- In 100% of cases whilst using this method, the magazine remains attached to the rifle!)
 
 
Also.... taken from the period British Military Training Manual: Musketry Regulations (Part:1) 1909 (Reprinted, with amendments, 1914):- Chapter-2, Section-3, Paragraph-36:- 'Quote' : The charger containing 5 cartridges is placed between the guides, and the cartridges forced into the magazine by the thumb. 'End Quote'.
 
CHARGER CLIP!
 
UNDERSTAND NOW!?! Angry


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 9:53am
Oh GAAWD now I've got to try and trap Hoadie adminster his meds and get him into his straight jacket. Unhappy


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 12:43pm
Do not worry about Hoadie.

He comes from good stock.

He will just curse for a bit,use their name in vain, and have another beer.

Hoadie is a good Brother and a one of the most sane people I know.



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 2:57pm
& that is the absolute scariest post I've ever seen!Shocked


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 5:03pm
Well..finally, I seem to have an ally! Thank you Sarge. I have felt like a lone voice in the wilderness, trying to educate these heathens about the proper nomenclature. (Now I know how the Jesuit priests felt trying to convert the aboriginals here in the 1700's)
Cheapening the terms of a fine firearm like the Enfield, is like mating a Queen's Plate winner with "Tony the Pony"
Hoadie

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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 5:58pm
Well that went over rather smoothly .........................


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 6:37pm
YEP!! Kinda like afart in a spacesuit!!
Dude! R U Home?
Hoadie

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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 6:52pm
No, Im out in the Gulf on the Bullwinkle !!!! trying to get the VRU running again!!!having a he!! of a time with the darn PLC..Got a weird shutdown code I or th CAO has ever seen, and My company knows nothing of it either !!! will be in next Wednesday  ...


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:22pm
stay safe WR , stay calm hoadie , we shall win over the heathens , 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:29pm
Rhino: Just talked to Lisa..& I'm Chuffed!
will post later
Hoadie

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Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Well..finally, I seem to have an ally! Thank you Sarge.
 
Hoadie my dear fellow, when anything is in print... and in 'H.M.S.O.', it's nothing other than gospel. One's duty as a loyal subject of the Crown is to defend to the n'th degree: 'King's Regulations' and all lesser H.M.S.O. publications. Unfortunately, there does seem to be a little difficulty in the colonies as to the mastering of the King's English.
 
However, the odd whipping and field punishment no.1 will soon put that right. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 4:25am
Sarge, thanks for the photos of the two systems. It seems to be a point of confusion that is often turning up, and your explanation makes it all very clear. Good one!Thumbs Up


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 6:50am
Am I one of the "heathens" or have I been "saved"?

QUOTE=A square 10] stay safe WR , stay calm hoadie , we shall win over the heathens , [/QUOTE]

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Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 7:45am
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Sarge, thanks for the photos of the two systems. It seems to be a point of confusion that is often turning up, and your explanation makes it all very clear. Good one!Thumbs Up
 
My pleasure Zed. Unfortunately, calling a 'Charger Clip' by the name of its similar cousin (a device with a totally different design) a 'Stripper Clip', is what's termed as a mode of 'Lazy Knowledge'. Its the means by which all similar methods are grouped by genre, and so named.
 
It's not solely the Enfield which employs a charger clip. As just one from the group in comparison... we have also the Italian 'Carcano'...
 
 
 


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 8:29am
Y' know I've never heard of it called a "Charger clip" beforeEvil Smile It was always either "Chargers" or "stripper clips"??


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 9:27am
'Charger' is the correct official name, but one has to change the long standing bad habits of others in the gentlest way possible! One step at a time. Wink

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 1:17pm
Kewl.Clap

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Homer
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Y' know I've never heard of it called a "Charger clip" beforeEvil Smile It was always either "Chargers" or "stripper clips"??


That's funny. With all the lecturing on correctness, I was thinking the same thing.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 2:22pm
Easy guys this is all in fun, don't get carried away.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Homer
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Easy guys this is all in fun, don't get carried away.


Exactly shamu. That's what it is.


Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 7:05pm
I guess its the same as calling a firearm a gun. It has become the norm. I typically refer to mine as firearms, rifles, shotguns, pistols and revolvers. But I still go to the gunsmith and gun shop. I don't take offence is someone uses the term gun as I know what they are talking about when taken in context. 
 
Quote Some handgun experts make a technical distinction that views pistols as a subset of handguns. Sometimes in usage, the term "pistol" refers to a handgun having one chamber integral with the barrel, making pistols distinct from the other main type of handgun, the revolver, which has a revolving cylinder containing multiple chambers. But UK/Commonwealth usage often does not make this distinction. For example, the official designation of the Webley Mk VI was "Pistol, Revolver, Webley No. 1 Mk VI", and the designation "Pistol No. 2 Mk I" was used to refer to both the Enfield Revolver and the later Browning Hi-Power semi-automatic.
 
I do agree about the term Charger or Charger Clip vs Stripper Clip. It is obviously more descriptive calling it a Charger Clip. For many years I was a forestry manager. When felling Eucalyptus we have a gang of women who strip the bark off freshly felled logs. They are called strippers as opposed to de-barkers, which refers to a mechanical device for removing bark from (mainly) pine logs.
 
In this PC world (or where politicians stamp their authority) things change. For example here in SA the government has this annoying habit of calling pupils (or students) learners and teachers are called educators.
 
So we do need to take somethings in context, but also educate (not teach) people on the correct terminology. We are all learners (not students) of life.
 


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 8:28pm
yes , it is fun , and a way to emphasize without ruffleing feathers , all good and a thread i am enjoying to be sure ,

that said - paddy , you may be a heathen but you were not the one i was intending to save , your too far gone and me with ya so least we have company hey ? 


Posted By: Jon287
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 11:49pm
It seems pointless to me. But if it makes you folks happy then by all means carry on.Shocked


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Posted By: mike16
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 4:30pm
so if a stripper clip is a charger.....
 
is a wrench a spanner ?


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 4:43pm
hey sarge -- you know i luv ya right ? but please .......

".. Unfortunately, there does seem to be a little difficulty in the colonies as to the mastering of the King's English.
 
However, the odd whipping and field punishment no.1 will soon put that right. Thumbs Up..." 

you do realise that this was tried twice with no cigar ....1812 ya got your licks in but it still ended badly ya all - down south if i recall correctly , just sayin 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 6:59pm
..A Sq: The Brits got kicked way down south AFTER the war ended.
..& Mike...CERTAIN types of wrench are a "spanner"IIRC
Hoadie

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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 7:07pm
A spanner is of fixed sizes of either 2 sizes (flat or ring either side) or a flat/ring combination of one size.
A wrench is normally adjustable like a monkey (or pipe) wrench.


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Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by mike16 mike16 wrote:

so if a stripper clip is a charger.....
 
No.... a Stripper Clip... is a Stripper clip...
 
 
 
a Charger IS a Charger...
 
 
 


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 21 2015 at 9:40pm
well put , in propper english both , even if its got an accent ........ just sayin 

ya , i know there was a northern front in 1812+ , its not forgotten but no grudge held here , i think new orleans was the southern front IIRC , maybe baton rouge along the way ? 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 22 2015 at 1:55pm
Nice set of tools Dairy Farmer! And yes I agree totally with your description. 
But it's not just tools and clips that give us "Brit's" trouble with the American language; don't get me started on bit's of car's, it get's messy!!


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 22 2015 at 8:30pm
what the heck - we even use that terminoligy here , +1 dairy farmer , i was taught that terminoligy for the various wrenches in my tool box by my grandfathers and my father , ill not speak for my son - he is near 30 now so he can speak for himself but i used it while raising him , 

lord knows what he got exposed to in school - im not a fan of our liberal education system , they tend to think only those uneducated use such implements - but i did tell him when he was young so hopefully he will remember it one day , a man that cant speak the language is uneducated  - one that cant use the tools is handicapped , 



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