Normal Movement In The Bayonet?
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Topic: Normal Movement In The Bayonet?
Posted By: Craig
Subject: Normal Movement In The Bayonet?
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 5:58pm
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I received a nice No. 4 Mk. 2 bayonet in the mail a couple weeks ago. Disassembled and cleaned. It looks very smart on a 1943 BSA No. 4 Mk.1. This being my first I was just curious about the amount of movement that is typical with a bayonet? At the end of the 8" spike it has about 1/8" of play. Just curious to know if this is typical? Thanks...
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 7:18pm
| i installed my longbranch mkII bayonet on my longbranch mkI [yes it is a mkI] it has perhaps 1/8" rotational movement but no longetudinal movememnt at all , does that help ? ive not gotten any others out to check , but i suspect similar results , |
Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:53pm
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A certain amount od 'play' is the norm. ------------- This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 5:35am
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Yes its a slightly loose fit on the barrel. Nothing to worry about the lugs & spring loaded catch will keep it on safely. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 6:36am
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...thanks! I was just wondering what was standard? Good to know...
...and it occurred to me to also ask if using a bayonet in combat carried with it a possibility for damaging your rifle's abilities in any way? Were there directions given to soldiers as to how not use the bayonet in this regard if at all possible?
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 7:29am
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..unlike the Ross. (It had a nasty habit of dropping the bayo when fired!)  Gives you a lot of confidence in a battle. Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 8:31am
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Bayonet drill was pretty much dead when i was in except for ceremonial purposes. All I remember hearing was bayonets were supposed to be fixed if the enemy was within 300 yds. FWIW the other thing I remember was a sequence of moves & an instruction about how to do harm to the bad guy with one. Long thrust, short thrust, Parry & butt! Thrust, disembowel & disengage. That was about it. Mostly they were used for opening tins of corned beef! Here's a bit of WW1 film showing the bayonet course. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/bayonet-drill-sequence-aka-lancs-fusiliers" rel="nofollow - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/bayonet-drill-sequence-aka-lancs-fusiliers ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 12:13pm
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I feel left out. I served my Army time in a tank unit. Not a bayonet to be found. M1911A1 amd M3 grease guns for everyone. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 1:11pm
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My buddy once cut a huge bayonet from a sheet of 4X8 Ply, painted it silver & attached it to the gun tube of his M60A1 tank in Germany. Drove the Sov's nuts looking at it across the wire.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 2:40pm
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I have the "pig sticker" on my Enfield Rifle No.4 Mk2, and it has just a little play. Locks up pretty tight. The M1905E1 for my M1 Garand has more play. I have an M6 on the M1A, and it's tight. Preliminary test have shown that the M6 does not effect accuracy. I have not tested the Enfield. A battle rifle with it's bayonet is formidable. ------------- For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 3:00pm
When I have the pointy bit on my Pattern '53 Enfield..I can jab the guy down the block!  Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 4:29pm
| i think by the time you employed the bayonet the usefulness of the rifle at the time had ended and its future use was not a current concern , kinda - act now worry later point in time , |
Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: March 31 2015 at 8:41pm
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Shamu, what a great video! ...and... Great tank buddy to have! ...yeah it's nothing I would ever want to face... ...at the same time a perfect piece of craftsmanship and art... |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 6:04am
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My meager set of "Pointy bits". Still kind of intimidating this close.  As has been pointed out (pun intended) if the BG is that close with a scoped rifle you're in deep doodoo  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 3:20pm
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...disassembled, de-Cosmolined, cleaned, polishing wheel, blued...piece of art... 
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 4:27pm
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i in recent years purchased a patter 53 , a snyder , and a martini , i also added bayonets for them all - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/031_zpsfp6liuey.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3036_zps1920a406.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  later ones - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2004_zps96364747.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  For the swiss - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2001_zps6c575327.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2019_zpsbf71ca46.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  for my FAL - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2290_zps3619d128.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  chicom of VN era - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/094_zps9c662947.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  M16 retro same VN era - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2046_zpsf971407f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  older US - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2006_zpsd552ef00.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2008_zps41da1e14.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2009_zpsc130d75f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2007_zps048db27e.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  newer US - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2005_zpsd550361c.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  more modern - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3030_zps17f6d918.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 6:10pm
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I have 3 bayonets and one has to do double duty on the M1 and A3. I would appreciate it if you guys would stop making me look at all these pictures. I keep telling myself that I have enough and then I come here. ------------- For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 7:22pm
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i do have one for my M14 type as well - but no current photos , maybe this spring , i have never considered myself a bayonet or knife collector - i have friends that are and trust me my minimal accumulation is nothing at all , i do have a few items that were family hand-me-downs from grandparents tho - the pocket knife my paternal grandfather gave me when i was 10 - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3023_zpsce038fab.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  and the knife i inherited with my maternal grandfathers tool box , http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2049_zps145dda46.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2048_zpsd72b2894.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-2047_zpse021a39e.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  and the stuff i collected for fun , my grandkids cowboy belt knife , no photos yet of what hangs on my cowboy belt - one day soon , http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/092_zpsfaedce07.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/091_zps0250d96f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 7:32pm
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...wow (that's an understatement)
...amazing
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 7:56pm
| see , i knew there were lurkers out there looking - you guys need to contribute more , we really have fun and enjoy the participation .... jump right in here |
Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 8:21pm
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...from time to time I think about finding an intact, mil-config LE, but I spend a lot of time in the bush and i prefer a sporterized model hands-down (no offence to the collectors)...I own a good selection of hunting rifles from .223 through .458 - some are custom...but over the past several years they have all come to sit in the safes here...I take my LE no.4's with me everywhere...I'm an oddity but I am just in love with this rifle and calibre...these are built like tanks, accurate, with enough power for anything local...I'll never buy another modern weapon... ...what knife-blade options are there for no.4 mk.1's? ...a no.9? ...best place to buy for a canuk? ...wouldn't mind trading out my hunting knife for a bayonet ...any upgrades I can do with such a blade? ...better annealing, etc? ...think field use here...
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 5:28am
We want pics of the Damascus!!!!!! Dam ass cuss! Dam ass cuss!  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 6:33am
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Craig, The No 9 generally has a good blade as is, its only problem no handle! I solved this on mine by making a handle that locks on using the bayonet latch. That way I have a good hunting knife and a bayonet as well if I wanted one. No 9's can be picked up on fleabay quite readily in Canada or the US. If I get a minute I'll take a picture of mine, but then posting it here might be a bit of a challenge for me. tried it once before & it woulna' work. Shamu, Very pretty pattern there! Best, Richard.
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Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 7:08am
S - WHAT!? no DAMASCUS BAYONET!? (now I can see that you aren't serious at all!  )PB - I was actually cogitating on the need for the sort of mechanism that you describe...one for the hand and one for the end of a walking stick...and good to know about the steel in it as well...
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 7:33am
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I think I am going to call you "Superman", the man of steel! ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 9:48am
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Need a handy-dandy handle for a #9? How about a "Choppa digga" (With apologies to H Beam Piper). Snag yourself one of these a Pukka Sirhan. British Intrenching tool. One end is a snap-on pickaxe/shovel the other a replica of the Enfield #4's barrel end & bayo lugs.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 12:11pm
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Now thats a nice piece of kit! ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 3:58pm
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comes with a handy dandy carry case that fits right up with the webb kit http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3031_zpsbf217e21.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 5:50pm
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My little collection of puncture tools. Custom blade for playing Cowboy. Elk Antler with black buffalo horn. Spike is stamped No.4 Mk2 with a boxed S for Savage. M1905E1 AFH 1942 with US flaming bomb. Cut by UFH. M6 for the M1A. A gift from a good friend and Nam Vet who had it on his M14. Not expensive or rare, but a treasure all the same.     ------------- For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 7:12pm
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nice 1905E1 cutdown and cut down M7 scabbard , almost might have thought you bought mine sam AFH convertedd in mid war to M1 length , your m6 is also a match to the one i keep with my M14 type rifle , the no4 mk2 is a savage made bayonet produced here for the commonwealth along with the savage rifles
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Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 7:25pm
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Shamu, The handy handle for the spike/No 9 is allright, but the trouble was, when you put the handle on, it was generally because you'd been told off to go & poke landmines!......sort of spoil the afternoon if you did it wrong.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 7:54pm
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ya , that was kinda what i had been told too , the spike might have been a little better choice ? or so i was told , none were really great - the job sucked , |
Posted By: Craig
Date Posted: April 02 2015 at 8:14pm
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...nice little blade that Syd McKay made for me but would look funny as a bayonet, but I think I'll ask him if he can make a Damascus LE No. 9 for the heck of it? ...it's amazingly handy for skinning and all that I carry any more for big game ( http://www.opasquiacustomknives.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.opasquiacustomknives.com )...heck of a nice fella too...  |