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Topic: The "Truth" at Last
Posted By: SW28fan
Subject: The "Truth" at Last
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 4:15pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oIvicHYL4Y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oIvicHYL4Y Wink

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 5:23pm
I think Hoadie is behind this and is guilty as charged.

I will bet my pizza on it with a side order of road apples.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 7:17pm
interesting rehash , 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 8:07pm
well, I'm not much into theories.
Unfortunatly, a lot of people are.
Problem is..some FACTS get drowned as "theories" or "spec"...like the Pearl Harbour" issue




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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 6:45am
Oi!
Embarrassed


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 8:32am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

well, I'm not much into theories.
Unfortunatly, a lot of people are.
Problem is..some FACTS get drowned as "theories" or "spec"...like the Pearl Harbour" issue




FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor before it happened.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 9:43am
Course he did, Paddy! The Brits told 'em everything! Including what time the last Jap recon plane would fly over.
The sacrifice of the labour intensive & obsolete battleships was the only way for U.S. to enter war without committing political "suicide".
But, that's a long time ago.(I guess the sacrifice was worth it in the long run)

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 10:45am
So true.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 8:03pm
there is so much "false news" these days i no longer believe anything in the media - they lie , they are propagandists , they are disgraceful to the calling of journalism that was dedicated to the truth , and that said ........i find some of the conspiracy nuts mildly amusing and entertaining , 

after all most "entertainers" are right in there with our modern media folks - liers and propagandists - mildly entertaining , 


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: December 26 2016 at 7:54am
Funny how so many are great fans of movie stars as well.............Fans of people who spend a lifetime pretending to be someone else! 
No wonder they  and the Media & politicians are so much the same.
 
A-Square,
Conspiracy nuts.  We have a goodly amount of them as well!  .............Spraying us with something .".Chem -trails" they call it..
If they Are spraying us, it's with Stupid, And it's working!!


Posted By: Black Prince
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Course he did, Paddy! The Brits told 'em everything! Including what time the last Jap recon plane would fly over.
The sacrifice of the labour intensive & obsolete battleships was the only way for U.S. to enter war without committing political "suicide".
But, that's a long time ago.(I guess the sacrifice was worth it in the long run)

Yep! but the sacrifice of lives was another thing.
Canon fodder I think some one once said.
If Japan left the USA alone,I'd be speaking Japanese now, as they went very close to taking over Australia. Many thanks to the USA and their fighting men.
And the Labour Unions (Communist members) in the Darwin seafront loading and unloading ships durring the war went on strike that many times, especially in DARWIN NT. Darwin top most city in Australia.This also happened in most ports around Australia.
Darwin was bombed over 100 times.
The seafront unions wanted 10 shillings extra a day (as danger money, well the Aussie soldiers were being paid less than the waterfront workers at the time) to load munitions, that were bound for New Guinea to help our Aussie soldiers fighting the Jap's. guess what they the seafront unions went on strike and the Aussie soldiers in Darwin loaded the ships themselves, there were a lot of fights between soldiers and the seafront union men, guess who won!
The Americans could not believe what was going on, as the waterfront union men, would when lifting jeeps etc on and off the ships they would make sure that the cargo would fall and be damaged. And when there was food to be loaded they the water front workers got their cut first, so they could sell on the black market or for them selfs, I worked up in Darwin in the 70's and saw first hand that things have not changed at all there.
One American general wanted to machine gun these commie waterfront workers.But was stoped it was a close call. These scum even took radio vales out of electrical equipment or damaged these items, so that essential radio gear would not work. To me this is treason and the Govt of the day had no balls to right the wrongs as our Aussie diggers were being killed for lack of supplies. to me that's TREASON.(there is a good book written about these events, my son has the book as I cannot think what is was called nor the author, but you should be able to find it).
Then the soldiers had to break the strike, As their mates fighting the Jap's in New Guinea, were running out of supplies and ammo. they loaded these ships bound for New Guinea with supplies and ammo and did load the ships twice as fast as the water front union commie men.
My father in-law was in New Guinea at the time and had a great hatred for unions when he got home after discharge he went back to the family business and all union activities there ceased, he got rid of them. 
Bit long but had to say it.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 24 2020 at 8:03pm
I know diddly-squat bout the Aussie homefront during the 2nd twirl at war..but if Kokoda was anything like the real thing..my hats off to those guys!!

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Posted By: Black Prince
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 1:59am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

I know diddly-squat bout the Aussie homefront during the 2nd twirl at war..but if Kokoda was anything like the real thing..my hats off to those guys!!

Yep! look up some of the youtube clips about the Kakoda trail, bit like the US marines island hopping in the Pacific on their way to Japan.
A different breed of men those days.
But! from some of the stories from sons and daughters of families, these fighting men came back a very different person than when they left Australia's shores to fight for freedom.
Not many of those old DIGGERS left now.
We called all soldiers diggers, goes back to WW1 with the digging of trenches.


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Posted By: Stanforth
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 5:13am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Course he did, Paddy! The Brits told 'em everything! Including what time the last Jap recon plane would fly over.
The sacrifice of the labour intensive & obsolete battleships was the only way for U.S. to enter war without committing political "suicide".
But, that's a long time ago.(I guess the sacrifice was worth it in the long run)

It has just occurred to me... That must have been the reason the Carrier force was away fro Peal Harbour.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 6:08am
T'was Stanforth.. They knew wot time the last recon plane was coming over. Soon as it was gone - so were they. The japanese were still thinking the carriers were there when they launched the attack. The carriers were the target.
The Battleships were slow, labour intensive & were considered obsolete by most military thinkers of the day. But..people still measured their nation's naval might by their battleships. So - sacrifice the battleships & you will have instant outrage from an "isolationist" popuilation. When the news broke, line-ups were massive at recruiting stations..& FDR saved his presidency's position. (He had promised not to get America involved in another world war).

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Posted By: Stanforth
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 7:12am
I understand all of that but it just goes to show how politicians value their constituents lives against their political futures.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 25 2020 at 8:14am
Not unlike Maggie thatcher...she was my hero - till I read the book. The Falklands..t'was all about her.

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Posted By: Stanforth
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 1:43am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Not unlike Maggie thatcher...she was my hero - till I read the book. The Falklands..t'was all about her.

That woman ruined Britain. During her period in office it became clever to rip people off. We got the 'Yuppie culture'. before 1979 I could leave my door unlocked, in hot weather I could leave my windows open. By 1981 I had installed security devices and learned to trust no one.




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Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 3:06am
Originally posted by Stanforth Stanforth wrote:

Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Not unlike Maggie thatcher...she was my hero - till I read the book. The Falklands..t'was all about her.


That woman ruined Britain. During her period in office it became clever to rip people off. We got the 'Yuppie culture'. before 1979 I could leave my door unlocked, in hot weather I could leave my windows open. By 1981 I had installed security devices and learned to trust no one.




Without her the country would be in ruins - run by the Unions with someone striking every week, the 'Black Lives Matter' riots are nothing to what we would have if she hadn't sorted out the country.

Fortunately her Anti-Europe stance means that the seeds she sowed have now come to fruition and we are no longer under the yoke of the Federation of the United States of Europe and their ever increasing demands for more money from the 'club members'.

She wasn't all 'good' but the benefits to the country far, far outweigh the negatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/14/margaret-thatcher-20-changes-britain" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/14/margaret-thatcher-20-changes-britain


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 26 2020 at 5:33am
It would appear that if you were involved in coal mining - you didn't like her. Seems most people were unionized..unions didn't like her, either. Then there was the issue of unemployment, ever increasing taxes. Her fortunes were flagging badly. Then the Falklands issue arose.
Behind the scenes most of the Prime ministers before her had been trying to find a way to "off-load" the Falklands due to the $ drain it represented & the fact it was no longer needed as a coaling station for the admiralty. This played right into her hands & she whipped the nation up to a fever pitch. Her popularity shot up over night.


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Posted By: Whitjr
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 3:57am


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 6:01pm
i rather liked her , but then thats another countries politics and i got enough problems with ours 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 7:16am
Back then unions had become way too powerful. the balance was lost.
I wasn't a fan of the Iron Maiden. But she did whip "the Transient Genital Workers Union" & The NUM(pties) back into line.
Strikes were insane, months, not weeks long & with other unions (who had no part in the dispute) "coming out in sympathy" & all being paid through union funding!
The infamous "Grunwick's" strike had over 1,000 pickets!
all 3 of them here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners_strike_" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_ (1984%E2%80%9385)

Its actually The TGWU & THE NUM that finalize my decision to leave permanently. My first wife was American but wanted to live in the U.K. But she'd never been there. So we went on a trip so she'd have some idea of the place before deciding.
Our friends who we were staying with so she could see it from a resident, not a tourist POV had no coal, & no electric the entire time we were there (a month!) in winter in the Welsh hills. We actually evacuated to the cottage because it had wood, coal, water & power, but you had to keep cleaning & restocking the fireplace & she absolutely hated it.


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 10:09am
Maggie was a mix of good and bad. She invented a weapon that destroyed lives and left property undamaged! it was the "Intercontinetal Ballistic Mortgage"
Sell off the rented "Council" houses (Gouvernment owned housing) to the tennants; who are often lower wage factory workers. Encourage them to buy their own house at a cheap price with a 25 year mortgage of around 7%. Then 2 years later the rate is up to 15% and your mortgage cost has doubled. Can't afford the mortgage so house get's reposesed  by the Bank. No council housing left to find an affordable home, coz' they've sold it all. A lot of people got screwed back then!


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 11:37am
I think the Poll Tax was the final nail in her coffin.
"The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rates_in_the_United_Kingdom#Domestic_rates" rel="nofollow - domestic rates in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Scotland" rel="nofollow - Scotland from 1989, prior to its introduction in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England" rel="nofollow - England and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Wales" rel="nofollow - Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax" rel="nofollow - Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_%28Great_Britain%29#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] "


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 1:31pm
Yes I had forgotten about the poll tax. I was working abroad in 87-88; then left again in early 1990; so missed out on some of that.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 2:01pm
All that stuff was covered in the book (The Grocer's daughter).
T'was a good read. But,I thought MAYBE here was a politician of real virtue.. WRONG! There is NO SUCH ANIMAL..it's all about staying on top, no matter what.
I don't have "heros" anymore..

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 7:11pm
here is a local one - this is a local [to the state] black politician that is speaking out , il like him , 


A Voice of Sanity and Truth  

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/a-voice-of-sanity-and-truth.php" rel="nofollow - https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/a-voice-of-sanity-and-truth.php


Posted By: Stumpkiller
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Maggie was a mix of good and bad. She invented a weapon that destroyed lives and left property undamaged! it was the "Intercontinental Ballistic Mortgage"
LOL

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