No. 4 Mk 2 7.62
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Topic: No. 4 Mk 2 7.62
Posted By: britrifles
Subject: No. 4 Mk 2 7.62
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 12:52pm
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Here’s my other No. 4., a UF56 Mk 2. I’m not sure of the wood, looks like it might be birch, it has a pattern of short darker coloured grains showing thru the lighter wood. The reciever SN is stamped on the butt stock just behind the reciever butt socket, so it might be original to the rifle. My dad bought this rifle in 1965 for $20. Dave Reynolds in Ottawa put on a CA 7.62 barrel for the total cost of $30 plus a $10 “tune”. He was intending to shoot it in DCRA matches, but never shot the rifle. About 15 years ago, I bought the magazine, not sure who made it. Fello Canadian LE enthusiasts may know how the FAZ Mk 2s came to Canada. How common are Mk 2 actions in Canada? This is way more scope than the rifle can take advantage of, but I’m curious to see what the full accuracy potential is for handloads. I’m loading 168 gr SMK to approx 2500 fps. May reduce this a bit to be closer to .303 Mk VII velocities. My earlier tests with the PH 5c sight were encouraging. 
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 1:24pm
| Nice... |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 2:25pm
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Look for "fish scale"
grain, particularly on the sloping or curved surfaces. That
distinguishes beech & birch. Very nice rifle.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 3:15pm
| I purchased a matching numbers Mk2 two years ago. $600. This was my rifle I am slowly turning into my sniper clone. Walnut cheek piece has been installed, DAI scope mount (I don't have the skill to mount a repo) and a 3x Weaver straight tube scope on it. Haven't tuned it in or developed a load yet, but seems to shoot 2" groups at 100yds with 180 gr Sierra Pro Hunters all day long. |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 25 2018 at 4:02pm
Shamu, definite fish scales on underside of butt stock, so birch? I wonder if the stock is original to the rifle. The rifle was only 9 years old when my Dad got it, so likely would be. I still wonder how it found it’s way to Canada. Did Britain sell off large quantities of surplus LEs into Canada in the 1960’s?. 
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 6:22am
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Beech, birch is almost bland in its grain, hardly even visible at all. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 6:35am
| I checked my Mk2. Same fish scaling. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 26 2018 at 8:49am
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IIRC Century bought all the lat Faz production guns that were unissued, they were usually imported to Canada, then from Canada to the US. Something to do with various import laws it was easier to import from Canada then the U.K. so yes a lot of the '54, '55 & 56 rifles came through Canada. I'm not sure it was in the 60's though. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 1:09pm
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I've been contemplating turning this No. 4 Mk 2 into a 7.62 sniper repro; I need to find someone who knows how to install the scope mount bracket pads on the receiver to zero the scope correctly. Anyone have experience with this and the RSM repro No. 32 scopes? I'd like to build a No. 4 for the CMP Vintage Sniper matches, but this rifle has a 7.62 barrel and probably does not qualify for the Vintage Sniper matches. And tough to center groups on the bull if the scope has 2 MOA clicks; why on earth did they copy the Mk II and not the Mk III?
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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 3:38pm
| Britrifles... I'm assuming you don't live in Canada? I found a very reputable Enfield Smith (he and his son are from the UK originally) that work exclusively on Enfields. I thought about getting a repo Mk 32 scope put on my No4 Mk2. I supply the RSM scope/mounts and adjustment tool, (about $700 CAD to my door) ship it to them in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. They mount, tune, etc. For another $300 CAD. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 4:09pm
I have experience with the reproduction scope kit from Numrich Gun Parts in which I think it's a better built scope.    I did this myself. It was tough but worth the effort. I followed Peter Laidler's four part process of setting up the scope and it turned out great. I have met one other fellow that did this but using the RSM kit. He hasn't any issues with it so far. |
britrifles wrote:Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 5:02pm
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Goosic, do you have Peter’s installation process? Is it online? |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 5:05pm
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Honkytonk, I am from Canada, but now live in the US. So would be problematic to get this done up there. Not sure I would want to tackle this myself, I would like to see the instructions first. Are there more than one company making repro No. 32 scopes? |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 5:09pm
| It's online but,I'm having trouble locating the site. Someone on here has it as well,just can't remember who. Please step in with the information being requested whoever it is that I can't remember... |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 5:29pm
| Britrifles. http://Www.RSMscope.com" rel="nofollow - Www.RSMscope.com . All the instructions needed to mount their scope. Numrich is nice, but not real available in Canada. I can order a RSM from China right to my door, no issues with very restrictive US export laws. You beng in the US might want to go Numrich. I'm sure installation instructions are similar. Let us know if you find the site! |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 7:18pm
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Got it, thanks! Are these scopes all from the same manufacturer? Numrich identifies the manufacturer as “SMLE”. $628.00 which includes metal case, cheek piece, leather sling and adjusting tool but does not show mounting screws, tap and drill bits. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 7:29pm
| No,it does not come with screws,drills or taps. You are left to find those on your own. RSM didn't have the drills or taps either but it came with screws. I have one as a backup BTW. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 7:34pm
Found it @ Milsurps 
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 7:47pm
| Sarco has the full kit, which includes drills, taps and screws. These must be all from the same manufacturer? |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 11:11pm
| No,not at all. The one I bought from Numrich and the one I bought from RSM look somewhat similar but are built complete different from one another. No interchangeability at all except for the mount itself. Neither of mine came with any instructions as well. Luckily,I'm smarter then I tend to let on and figured it out fairly quickly. |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 6:50am
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Numrich lists a Mk I and Mk II. The Mk II should have 1 MOA clicks, is that true? Just have to find the correct size screws. |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 06 2018 at 5:57pm
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Shot the No. 4 Mk 2 7.62 today, I was pleasantly surprised. After zeroing the scope, here’s what the 200 yard target looked like shooting off the bench. The first 5 shots grouped at just under 1.0 inch, less than 1/2 MOA. 10 shots grouped at 3.0inches, 1.5 MOA. This is why 3 or 5 shot groups can be misleading about how accurate a rifle and load can be. But on the SR Target, it’s a 100-8x. Might be a candidate for a Sniper conversion.  The load: Case: DA 62 Neck Sized Primer: CCI #200 Powder: 40.5 gr Re 15 Bullet: 168 gr SMK COL: 2.80 |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 06 2018 at 7:35pm
| i do not know a lot of the 7.62 enfeilds but i did once own a charnwood conversion of that caliber , it had an extreemly tight chamber and was very picky of the ammo you fed it , i had the best luck with radway green , still have two canisters of that , but ... all i had back then was military surplus i was not in possession of any commercial rounds let alone custom hand loads , i kinda wish i had that one back , |
Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 1:19am
Your magazine looks to me to be one for the Ishapore 2A1 rifle. They work well in No 4's.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 1:35pm
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Yes, the cartridges feed just fine from the magazine. But I would like to find a solution to reliable empty case ejection. I ground a bit off the inside edge of the extractor to push the case further to the left side of the reciever, works about 50% of the time. It’s somewhat of an orphan rifle, I’d like to shoot it in competition, but does not meet the “as issued” rules here in the US. And if I modified by adding a repro No. 32 scope, it won’t meet the Vintage Sniper Rifle rules being not .303. Didn’t the Brits rebarrel the No. 4 in 7.62 for Sniper work? Or did these all have heavy weight barrels? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 3:14pm
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Further when fully chambered? That's interesting it should disengage & move out, away from the case in the final 1/16"or so of bolt travel! If you cycle the bolt slowly you can see the front edge of the claw is pushed to the right by the sloping cut in the breech! ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 3:34pm
On the one I use, I modified the leading edge of the left-hand side rear magazine lip to give an ejector lug similar in principle to the 7.62 Enfield ones.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 6:11pm
No, the area I ground material off of the extractor is the inner edge between the claw and screw lug so that when the bolt is pulled back, the extractor spring pushes the extractor slightly deeper into the slot in the bolt head. This pushes the empty case over to contact the left side of the action. The 7.62 case head is smaller in diameter than the .303 and doesn’t drag along the left side of the reciever when withdrawing the bolt. It does now, but still not as positive as the .303 |
Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 6:37pm
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Great looking setup Brit. Goosic too. If you want to try another bullet the A Max is a good choice. I use Varget and H4895 for powder. Though, it's for my M1A NM. ------------- For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 5:56am
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Ok gotcha now. Does it eject when the base hits the ejector screw? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 7:53am
Why not just use an L42 magazine ? ------------- The Spartans do not ask how many the enemies are but where they are |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 8:36am
| Why not get a .308 extractor claw and use that? |
Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 9:41am
I believe he is talking about ejecting the fired case not extraction. But then I'm wrong most of the time.  ------------- The Spartans do not ask how many the enemies are but where they are |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 10:25am
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MJ, you are correct, extraction works just fine with the .303 bolt extractor. Reliable empty case ejection is the problem. I suspect the longer extractor claw enabled the case to be pushed far enough to the left side of the receiver to allow ejection. If you place a 7.62 cartridge on the head of the LE bolt with the rim engaged in the extractor, the case head does not extend out past the left side of the bolt head, and the ejector is as far left as it will go when the bolt is out of the action body. Where to I get one of those L42 magazines? Or, a 7.62 extractor for that matter?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 10:31am
Shamu, not all the time. That ejector screw is dang near flush, just barely protrudes from the action body. If I pull the bolt back briskly, the empty usually just barely flips out, but running at a "normal" speed, the empty falls out of the bolt head and remains on top of the mag platform, or on top of the cartridges in the mag. Maybe the 7.62 extractor holds on to the case a bit better. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 11:34am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 11:41am
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Well, I gotta get me one of those! Thanks Goosic. |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 11:52am
| Since the Ishapore No. 2A is based off the Mk III rifle, would this extractor fit onto a No. 4 bold head? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 2:24pm
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I'm not sure, the Brit No1 MkIII & No4 Mk 1 aren't interchangeable though so I'd guess not. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:12pm
This extractor, as pictured, is for the Ishapore 7.62. It is not correct for the No 4 7.62. Having said that, extractors from Numrich can be a bit of a lucky dip. I have in the past ordered 2A1 extractors, and have been sent No 4 shaped ones. |
Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:18pm
The photo shows the 2A1 type. It is not right for the No 4. Numrich do sell a 7.62 No 4 type extractor, but they do not seem to recognize what it is, and sell it as being for the 2A1. Brian from BDL used to stock the 7.62 extractors too.
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Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:39pm
Photo from Worthpoint shows shape of No 4 7.62 extractor. Perhaps if you were to email Numrich with the photo and tell them you want one this shape.
The head of the claw is bigger than on a 303 extractor; the chamfered top corner is to give clearance for the charger when loading the magazine in the rifle. Enfield 7.62 magazines can be hard to find. I got most of mine out of the UK, including one off ebay. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:52pm
| This is one thing I am certain about. The 2A1 extractor will fit in a No4 bolt head. I have done three conversions to .308. It will work. |
Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 5:02pm
I think we are all overlooking the real problem of there is noting to kick the fired round out of the bolt head. On my L42 magazines the ejector is a welded tab on the magazine itself. At the moment I'm not near my photo files or parts bins to provide an accurate picture of the magazine or the extractor. I have several extractors original L42 and #4 cut to 7.62X51 spec. ------------- The Spartans do not ask how many the enemies are but where they are |
Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 5:43pm
 Photo shows modification I did to Ishapore 2A1 magazine to help with ejection. I made a small cut in the left hand rear magazine lip, and bent the resulting face behind the cut up a little, such that the empty case can strike it.
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Posted By: maxwell smart
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 6:25pm
Did these extractors have the chamfered edge, or the standard square one?
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