No4 Mk1* identification help
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Topic: No4 Mk1* identification help
Posted By: Hawkercap2
Subject: No4 Mk1* identification help
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 7:33am
he!!o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel, bolt, magazine and stock all have the same Indian furbished serial numbers and the savage markings. But it also has a the LB and a Canadian broad arrow so I'm just a little confused thanks for any help.        
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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 12:00pm
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Welcome to the forum. That looks like an interesting rifle. It's not uncommon to find part's from different manufacturer's fitted during repair's. Armourer's would only be interested in finding a part to replace the worn or broken part. There would be no concern for where the part came from, as long as it did the job. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: Hawkercap2
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 12:09pm
| Thank you for the welcome. The rifle functions beautifully, I'm just trying to track things down as much as I can. I picked this Enfield up for 250$. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 1:17pm
| On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. The C would make it a Savage, a L would make it a Long Branch. The little safety spring has a Long Branch stamp,the front sight protector was made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co.,the magazine follower was made by Savage. The original serial number may have been scrubbed and a new Indian number replaced it... |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 1:21pm
| The Indian plant stamped their own serial number into the top of the receiver. There is no US PROPERTY stamped into the top angle of the receiver as well. More likely then not,it started life at the Long Branch plant. Nice rifle regardless... |
Posted By: Hawkercap2
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 1:30pm
| That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. This is my first personal Enfield and second in my family |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 3:49pm
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You're probably going to have to "infer" its origins from things like proof marks. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Hawkercap2
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 3:54pm
| not at all lol, from the markings I can find and other details would you guys say it's a long branch with a savage magazine? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 4:03pm
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I wish I knew! The left side receiver wall has the "angled transition" (just below the ejector screw) which is a Savage (rather than British-made) feature, so its one or the other of the New World manufacturers, but I don't know if Long Brach also did the same thing? Being a Mk1* we knew that though. Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 7:06pm
| i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed |
Posted By: Twodogs
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 1:18am
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My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". Photo to follow, when I can work out how to post one.
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Posted By: Twodogs
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 5:33am
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[QUOTE=Twodogs]My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". Photo to follow, when I can work out how to post one. Photo showing Long Branch No4 Mk1* "angled Transition", albeit a 1950 model.
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Posted By: Hawkercap2
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 3:10pm
| thank you for all your guys thoughts! |