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Topic: JJ&Co JJ Jovino. lithgow or bitster?
Posted By: Shamu
Subject: JJ&Co JJ Jovino. lithgow or bitster?
Date Posted: July 19 2019 at 2:21pm
This came up a couple of times & I had an hour or 2 to kill so I did an internet search.
This is the sum of all that I discovered.
Much of it comes from, but is not limited to : Dr. Skip Stratton, who published this warning on his Enfield rifles on his website & Greg Young's Alaska Enfield Headquarters site.

No. 1 Mk III* (Lithgow - "New")
Often advertised as “collector grade” or “mint - unfired” or “unissued” and selling for $200 and up.

Watch out for these! Quite a few “new Lithgow” rifles have been built just within the last few years from spare parts bought from the Australian government. The parts are new, and the rifles were never issued--but they aren’t Lithgow factory rifles by any stretch of the imagination! They’re recently-built parts guns.

It is possible (though not likely) that some Lithgow-manufactured rifles with late-1945 (or later) dates were kept in storage and subsequently surplussed out in unfired or unissued condition. Such rifles would have 5-digit serial numbers with either an “E” or an “F” serial number prefix, and the serial number would be stamped on the rear of the bolt handle and on the bottom of the fore-end, as well as on the receiver ring. Neither the nose cap nor the bottom of the backsight leaf will carry a different serial number on these rifles. Also, legitimate factory rifles will have 1/4-inch square brass or copper recoil plates installed on the fore-ends where the sear boss bears against the wood. These plates will be attached with small brass wood screws.

If you find a “new” Lithgow with a 1943 or 1944 date, be highly suspicious. This was the height of the war, and virtually all rifles manufactured were issued. If you find the receiver marked with a “JJ CO NY NY” import stamp, assume it’s a parts gun unless you have clear evidence to the contrary. (Many “new Lithgow” parts guns appear to have been assembled on receivers imported by John Jovino & Co.) If you find a 4-digit serial number with no prefix letter and an “A” suffix, this is clear evidence that it is not a Lithgow factory rifle. If you find different serial numbers on different parts, this is clear evidence that it is a parts gun. And if the recoil plates are missing, it is not only a parts gun--it could be dangerous to shoot. There’s a possibility that the fore-end will be damaged with as few as 20 or 30 round fired.

Where JJ Co used unissued receivers, they did not have serial numbers on them from Lithgow.
JJ Co numbered these receivers themselves, using a letter suffix (usually A) in the serial instead of a letter prefix as was customary markings for Lithgow.
If any doubt, a quick look at the serial number and date on the rifle will soon sort it.

For knowledgeable collectors of Lithgow Enfields, these assembled new rifles are pretty easy to spot by their light colored stocks and parkerized finish. Another dead give away for the assembled rifles is that they are not in the normal Lithgow serial number ranges. Most of the assembled rifles have serial numbers that either start with a "G" prefix or have a "A" suffix.

import marks on your Lithgow on the right hand side of receiver just above the wood line in front of the bolt handle? If so, I think it you look hard at your import marks, you will see that they are actually IA CO SAC CA but the first "I" looks like a "T" due to the mark being stamped at an angle. I have had a couple of the IA imported Lithgow rifles with the IA CO SAC CA import marks on the location I mentioned and others with the import marks on the bottom of the charger bridge on the right side. IA was the "Inter American" company and they imported a lot if military surplus arms as well as new AKs and Sks. If I remember right, they went out of business around 2005 or so. Anyhow, they had some pretty nice Lithgows as well as some not so nice like any importer. They did not assemble rifles from NOS parts either like Jovino did.



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Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: July 19 2019 at 5:41pm
Any chance we could get this made into a sticky, Shamu? It's something that comes up regular enough to warrant it, I think.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 7:33am
Not sure! I stickied it but its not showing up that way? we'll see.
edited. the "pin" just showed up when I refreshed the page.
Censored


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 11:10am
It is showing up as a sticky for me now. It wasn't last night for some reason.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 2:28pm
I think we were seeing data from our cache before the pin, when we came back the page updated with new data?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: September 01 2019 at 1:46pm
Thanks for posting these details.  Are there any examples where the JJ&Co is legit for a Lithgow gun?

I'm a new collector and trying to learn.  There is a gun being offered as a No1mk3* 1917 (heavily used, not promoted as new) but it has the above referenced receiver. 
thanks.



Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: September 02 2019 at 2:18am
JJ&Co did purchase and resell complete Lithgow made and assembled rifles. Some of the rifles they sold were every bit as good as any other Lithgow. They also assembled a lot of rifles from parts. Unfortunately these parts guns have tarnished the reputation of all JJ&Co marked guns. The only way to tell if it's genuine is to inspect it very carefully and make sure all the markings are correct for that production or refurbishment period. If the rifle you're looking at was made in 1917, it was most likely arsenal refurbished at least once in it's life. If refurbished by Lithgow in the late 40's it will be marked R M/A and the year on the butt. If it went through the Lithgow FTR program in the 50s it will be stamped FTR near the serial number and M/A and the year on the lower left side of the receiver just above the trigger guard. At lot of these early WW1 era Lithgow rifles also ended up in the UK or elsewhere and could have been refurbished by another country. We also need to remember these JJ&Co rifles have been in circulation now for quite some time and may well have been messed with since JJ&Co sold them. Most of the JJ&Co parts guns Ive seen have been made on later production receivers, especially 1945 receivers. As far as collectable rifles go, I just stay well clear or anything marked JJ&Co. Even if you think it's original, you still have to convince the next guy if you go to sell it. If you just want a good looking shooter and the rifle is in good serviceable condition (if in doubt have it checked by a decent gunsmith), the JJ&Co stamp definitely wont make it shoot any better or worse. There are plenty of JJ&Co guns out there that shoot just as good as the next Lithgow. If you're more into acquiring a collectable rifle, there's still plenty of Lithgow made No1 Mk3's out there without that annoying JJ&Co stamp.


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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: September 02 2019 at 8:07am
Thanks for the details and great advice.  I recently purchased Ian Skennerton’s book and am looking forward to having this reference.  I am looking for a collectible, so patience is a virtue!


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 02 2019 at 7:47pm
thats a great sticky , some of us learned this old school - we can now say the younger among us are armed with better info than we were , so much to learn and so little time , 


Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: September 15 2019 at 7:28am
This is well covered ground but wroth posting again.


1944 E prefix




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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 16 2019 at 6:40pm
great info always worth sharing and beautiful rifles 


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: September 17 2019 at 5:45am
Great info and great patterns!


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:45pm
Hi Shamu,
I reference your write up on import marks frequently it was excellent and spot on. Thank You again.  Over the past 6 months I have seen lots of poor examples from JJCO exactly as you described them.  I have tended to stop researching as soon as I realize an example is Imported.  However I came across a nice example from IA CO SAC CO and I am having a hard time dismissing it.  My research on IA Co matches yours.  they are out of business now.  It is a MKIII* has all the numbers match, seems period correct, and doesn't appear to be refinished in any way.

I noticed you mentioned you have some IA CO's in your collection - should the import mark dissuade me from my first (attempted) purchase of a 30 if otherwise it seems to be a good example...or do I keep on looking!  Also, is it reasonable to ask the seller to take photos of the fore-end to confirm the copper-blocks?

Here is a link to a site with some good references to importers. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/imports.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/imports.html

Here is a photo of the import mark. I also see the AUSTRALIA .303 stamp - is this also an importer mark?   I read BJ72 post about refurbishment - does the Butt marks imply this was refurbished at some point, I dont see the R/MA marks and I dont see any FTR markings.   My understanding is this could be a Happy to send other photos if interested. 1945 Australian No1 MK3 Enfield Lithgow .303-img-7

1945 Australian No1 MK3 Enfield Lithgow .303-img-2Thanks Geoff


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 12:36am
this is an old thread but one worthy of resurrection , these important bits of information could save a buyer or make him pass on a great deal on a really fine rifle , read it closely - it does not say - do not buy , it says some should not be bought , there were a lot that were well worth buying  , it is why bear wanted a sticky , 

your rifle , from what i see , looks fine , but then im not seeing everything here , the importer marks do not mean its been refurbed , only that it was imported , from austrailia - not a bad thing at all , 

the buttstock markings indicate its status and no , there is no FTR indicated , we need to see a lot more of the rifle to say anything more , but what i see is OK to go , meaning id buy that buttstock with minor questions , 




Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 5:36am
MAO means rifle factory no. 3 at Lithgow.  HV means it was sighted for high velocity ammunition.  there is probably an HV stamp on the barrel in front of the knox form.  make sure the serial number is on the receiver, on the bolt, on the nose cap below the muzzle and on the wood on the bottom of the fore-end at the muzzle end.  looks good so far but post a bunch of photos in the rifle section.

here is some good info:     file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - f file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - fs001_smle_markings (2).pdf


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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 6:55am
Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:

MAO means rifle factory no. 3 at Lithgow.  HV means it was sighted for high velocity ammunition.  there is probably an HV stamp on the barrel in front of the knox form.  make sure the serial number is on the receiver, on the bolt, on the nose cap below the muzzle and on the wood on the bottom of the fore-end at the muzzle end.  looks good so far but post a bunch of photos in the rifle section.

here is some good info:     file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - f file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - fs001_smle_markings (2).pdf

Hi Devrep - I could open the link - is there a trick to opening.


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 10:54am
The MAO stamp is interesting to note, if I recall correctly, somewhere about late 1943 Lithgow ceased assembling the whole rifle at the Lithgow factory as they were going to concentrate on bren guns.
The parts for the Lee enfields coming from Lithgow itself and all the feeder factories surrounding it such as orange, mildura, etc.  All the final assembly was shifted to the Mildura factory hence the MAO stamp.
After the war , the feeder factories closed down and all manufacturing and assembly moved back to Lithgow.  However since the feeder factories had made massive quantities of parts in any case, and there was the grudging realisation that no1Mk111 rifles were going to be obsolete, Lithgow moved to assembly of rifles from existing parts stocks.  Many of these rifles (1945 onwards) would have been moved straight to stores and sat unissued. To keep Lithgow staff employed, many issued ww2 rifles would have returned for FTR overhauls and then also go to storage.
Jovino would have purchased lots of Australian defence force stores rifles at auction in the 60's and 70's , these would have been off the racks and been a mix of unissued, barely used, well used & abused, and some that were used but had been FTR.  To top it off loads of those parts I mentioned earlier would have been part of the auctions as the stores officers would not want to be stuck with millions of parts of little value otherwise.  In other words the auctions were a " job lot" you took it all or nothing.  There could have been junk rifles , broken rifles, DP rifles as well.  The stores officers wanted it gone, army depots and bases all over australia had sprung up due to the war and afterwards most were closed down, stores consolidated, sold were possible, if not sold dumped at sea or buried.
There are some cool youtube sites of metal detectorists who search there old base / depot sites and its obvious from what they find a lot of stuff was got rid of, loads of Lee Enfield parts/rifles were stacked up and burned.   If you think that was bad, should have seen how much lend-lease equipment, vehicles, aircraft went the same way.
Jovino probably got those rifles for less than a dollar each.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 11:02am
With regard to the import marks. If your looking for a rifle in the USA; I expect you may find it dificult to find an SMLE without an import mark. Seeing as they are all imported at some point in time.
Be aware of the possible issues with some JJCo builds; but don't discount the possibility that's a good original Lithgow built one.


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 11:40am
Its a typo. type in manually do not enter the first "f".
It does not open, but it downloads, check in your downloads folder it may already be there!



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 11:41am
thanks Marco and Zed.  1945 is an interesting year. There was still some severe fighting going on, with the Germans not surrendering until may and the Japs in August.  Admittedly the major Western front battles were over late 44 or very early 45, but I think New Guinea was still raging in 45.  How many of these made it to the front versus surplus...Maybe some members of this board know this.  I tell you though, it breaks my heart when you see the footage of perfectly good p51s and other airplanes being rolled off the back of an aircraft carrier. I am sure it is the same for these 303s. One of my favorite plans is the B24 liberator and I think there are only 2 flying examples remaking. So sad.   I’ll post some more photos. 

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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 12:53pm
a couple more photos attached.  Serial Number on forstock, bolt, barrel, nose cap, and stock match.  Also the PAA marks on bolt and receiver match.  I have been looking for months, and even though it is import marked, i am pretty excited about this one.  I have asked the seller for more detailed pictures of the barrel knox and verification of the Copper Recoil Plates.  the board has been good in verifying the import mark may not mean it is junk.   let me know if I am overlooking something obvious.



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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 1:18pm
Here is an embarasing (Novice) question....Is this image of a serial number on the receiver, or the barrel?


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 3:21pm
Can you get an image of the nosecap & muzzle from an angle that shows the relationship between the barrel outside & the nosecap front?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:

MAO means rifle factory no. 3 at Lithgow.  HV means it was sighted for high velocity ammunition.  there is probably an HV stamp on the barrel in front of the knox form.  make sure the serial number is on the receiver, on the bolt, on the nose cap below the muzzle and on the wood on the bottom of the fore-end at the muzzle end.  looks good so far but post a bunch of photos in the rifle section.

here is some good info:     file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - f file:///C:/Users/80red/OneDrive/Pictures/1944%20Lithgow%20Enfield%20SMLE/fs001_smle_markings%20%282%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - fs001_smle_markings (2).pdf

Hi Devrep - I could open the link - is there a trick to opening.

try this link.
http://blog.lithgowsafmuseum.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/fs001_smle_markings.pdf" rel="nofollow - Australian Markings (lithgowsafmuseum.org.au)



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 5:00pm
That works for me, but also as a direct download.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 5:55pm
yes, its a PDF.  I got it from the Lithgow museum site but can't find it on there now.

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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 07 2020 at 4:22pm
Hi Shamu, sorry for the slow response - i was out all day yesterday getting a Christmas tree! I am viewing this on gunbroker and think this is the photo you are looking but I wasn't sure so included others available. Also,  was reading Skennerton's book on Australian SMLE Variations and came across a couple of interesting bits: 1) The barrel is marked HV SC, and apparently this was "...From November 1943 the SC mark was dispensed with."  This barrel retains the SC mark.  Does this suggest the barrel is not original to the gun?  Apparently the mark on the barrel is scuffed from the sights.
2) Skennerton suggests brass was used for the inner and outer bands and butt swivel starting April 1942 and switched back to steel in 1945.  these look like BA marked brass bands, but based on the serial number could be a later 1945 (F36302) Is it acceptable to still use brass?
What do you think?  Thanks.



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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 07 2020 at 4:23pm
I got it as well.  Thanks.

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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 07 2020 at 4:25pm
Hi Devrep.  You are spot on about the HV.   I posted a photo later in this thread with a photo showing the HV SC stamp on the barrel.


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 1:10am

edit


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 6:15am
The thing to remember is we're looking at the rifle from a slightly different perspective from an Aussie armorer back in the day.
He fixed whatever needed fixing with whatever he had "sitting in a bucket" & got it back to the troops.
Because of that I think we over-think the "matching bits" part of it.
Many of these small mis-matched things are just a differing point of view.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 6:27am
Thanks for the pics Armourer and the perspective Shamu.   You are right, there was a lot going on in the world in 1945, a little bit like today.


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 12:56pm
OK Team.  I have proudly joined the ranks of Lee Enfield owners.  I took Shamu's advice to heart - even though I noticed a couple of relatively minor mismatched pieces (Safety Spring, Trigger Guard) I went ahead as i really liked the overall condition and example of this gun.  Also, another gun collector friend of mine echoed the same sentiment.  I have passed on other (maybe better?) examples by being too cautious, but I can't live life always waiting for the "perfect" piece.  Thanks for your assistance, and I hope this is the first of many as I build out a great Aussie collection. Regards, Geoff


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 1:14pm
Congrats!The muzzle to nosecap relationship looks fine BTW.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 1:17pm
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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 1:59pm
Got it.   Rifle it is! ;)


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 2:04pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 3:25pm
congrats.  

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Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 5:06pm
Agreed with the comments from the senior - more learned Jedi Master section. These RIFLES will grow on you..... and when you think you understand a bit about them, you will then be proved wrong and learn there is always the "Lee Enfield" exception to the rules in the current knowledge base. Your rifle looks great, and I would be very happy to find a place in my collection for an example like it next to its brothers and cousins.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 7:40pm
never , ever say 'always' or 'never' when it comes to enfields 


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 4:50pm
How's this for service...My FFL hand delivered my "new" Lithgow 303. It is beautiful and even better then the photos from the auction site.  I am so excited to get up to the range and fire it myself. I picked up period correct Lithgow P07  bayonet to compliment the rifle.  Thanks to everyone for your advice. 



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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 5:00pm
need freshie fotos.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 10:58pm
agreed - that will help a lot , 


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 7:55pm
Sorry for the long delay in getting updated pictures.  Something called work got in the way :)  I did manage to take it out an shoot the rifle - so much fun.  I noticed alignment is off, so I need learn why which is my next task - yeah, yeah I know, probably my aim, but if you listen closely you can hear the "ping" of the target about 100 yards away. I hope the video link works https://www.facebook.com/565761537/videos/10158067353056538/" rel="nofollow -   https://www.facebook.com/565761537/videos/10158067353056538/






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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 7:56pm
A couple more photo's.

Also, as an FYI - I purchased a copy of Ian Skennerton's latest Broad Arrow Mk2 reference book.  I am happy to reference anything if I can assist.
Regards,


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 7:33am
F/B  link comes up as "Content Unavailable", sorry.
When you say alignment is off do you mean its not shooting to point of aim?
What ammo did you sue?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 8:35am
Nice looking rifle, looks pretty clean. The metal almost looks to be in the white or is it just the lighting.
The wrist band kind of looks like green phosphate finish, never seen that before? or its just picture lighting as well.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 8:34pm
it does look quite nice , i see why you are pleased , does that number match on the receiver , bolt handle to the bayonet boss ? someone here can reference that serial to date of production to see if it matches the receiver marking , i no longer have my reference for that , 

is the bayonet an MA marked one ? what year ? looks very nice from your photos and what little i see of the scabbard as well , should say mangrovite on the leather near the seam ,  congrats , 


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 8:14am
Thanks for the interest.  The numbers do match - bolt, receiver, barrel, nose cap, and the fore stock. It was exceptionally clean rifle, with a commensurate amount of dings and scraps.  In real life the wrist band appearance/color is very similar to the receiver metal, so I think it is my (lack of) photography skills.   I have a new respect for the high quality photos available on GB! 

The bayonet is a Lithgow marked 1942 bayonet. It is MA marked 03, 42 , and I believe they shifted manufacturing to Orange in July 1942, so it is one of the last bayonets our of Lithgow (Skennerton).  I attached a couple of photos to show markings better. The markings above the date are (reading top to bottom) MA 907 1. The scabbard is marked Mangrovite '42

As far as shooting - I am using new factory loaded PPU 150gr.  I test fired at about 10 yards and was shooting high right.  At 100 yards I aimed bottom left.   I'll see if I can post a new link to the video.


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
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Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: February 12 2021 at 6:43pm
Always a good read and worth coming back to this post.

My Lithgow ,The top rifle,  is an E prefix with matching numbers on the key bits denote a completed rifle.

I shoot the BSA and on a good day meaning I'm good it it does well. It is a shame they closed the 300 and 500 yards steel plates as I love banging them for the noise while the fellow shooters with scoped modern rifles are digging dirt all over the hill. When they realize it is an old wood braced 303 I like to see them stopping by to eyeball the old dear.

Thanks for the new postings. Give this old man something to read.


Cheers


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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: February 12 2021 at 7:34pm

OK, with a little help from my friends I posted a short clip onto youtube.  If you listen you can hear the "ping" about 100M down range.  I am shooting into the cutout from a ships porthole.  Pretty cool.

Let me know if this link works OK.


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"Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges" - Tacitus
The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 9:12am
Works fine.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)



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